<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Hi all,</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">I feel very strongly that we shouldn't be self-censoring our topics for discussion based on the fact that the venue is Abu Dhabi. It's bad enough we are going to have members who cannot attend based on their activist backgrounds. If we approach this from the perspective of avoiding any discussion that might make waves, there's no point even showing up.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">I agree that this could be the topic for a wonderful discussion at Brazilian IGF, but I don't see the two conversations as being mutually exclusive, especially as many (most?) of us won't be at that meeting.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">I'll also add that I understand concerns raised earlier about normative statements but, from my perspective, this discussion would be less about establishing an official NCUC position and more about feeling the topic out. I wouldn't expect the discussion to end with any sort of "official" conclusion that Cloudflare was wrong (or right), but given that this is an issue with implications for ICANN going forward, it would be useful to come together and share some preliminary thoughts about future challenges. At least, that's how I see it. Let's have the conversation.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Best,</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Michael</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Aug 22, 2017, at 12:54 PM, Viviane Vinagre <<a href="mailto:vivianegvinagre@gmail.com">vivianegvinagre@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><span class="gmail-im"><div>"<span style="font-size:12.8px">I understand
James's concern for scope, just like Bill I don't yet know what to think
either, but it seems that Ayden's line that DNS, as a technical
framework, "is being used to determine who can and cannot disseminate
knowledge and opinions" is absolutely enough for us to put this
discussion forward for the time being."<br><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">I also agree with what Claudio said, I think the best option for us is doing a workshop and discuss that matter in the Brazillian IGF. And as Gustavo I think we would have a </span>better civilized, productive debate, with both sides being represented in Brazil than in Abu Dhabi where the enviroment about freedom of expression isn't that good. <br><br><br></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-08-21 17:13 GMT-03:00 Jeremy Malcolm <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org" target="_blank">jmalcolm@eff.org</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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On 20/8/17 12:37 pm, Stephanie Perrin wrote:<br>
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<font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I agree, let's not
escalate things ourselves. I think the CEO of Cloudfare has
expressed it quite well:
<a class="m_6956135774088660522moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/17/cloudflare-ceo-says-removing-the-daily-stormer-is-slippery-slope.html" target="_blank">https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/<wbr>17/cloudflare-ceo-says-<wbr>removing-the-daily-stormer-is-<wbr>slippery-slope.html</a>.<br>
I think we should have this discussion, am neutral as to the
appropriate setting. I bet Michael Nelson from Cloudfare will
be there, he would be good to talk to as a discussant of the
matter.<br>
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Also Namecheap, if you haven't seen this piece of theirs, especially
the addendum:<br>
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<a class="m_6956135774088660522moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://blog.namecheap.com/inciting-violence-vs-freedom-speech/" target="_blank">https://blog.namecheap.com/<wbr>inciting-violence-vs-freedom-<wbr>speech/</a><span class=""><br>
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