<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">All,</div><div class="">I agree with Michale, Jeremy and others on the need to address this as a group, and I do not “fear” the consequences of talking for the sake of talking, I do agree with James or Milton to avoid any official communicate, but it does have policy relevance for ICANN and the GNSO. <br class=""><br class="">From James “Sorry Martin but in no way does ICANN enforce registrars TOS on its customers with regards to right to not provide service for content matters.” This is not what I meant at all. I think we actually may see eye to eye on what role ICANN and Contracted parties may have, but I think that the debate is relevant in this forum and re-stateing neutrality of content in ICANN policy is a must when this sort of events raise confusion and uncertainty.<br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">On the IGF Brazil, please do debate, is a relevant forum for a relevant topic and very graceful community, but I don’t see how that is going to replace Jeremy’s request on ICANN space or the global community that ICANN gathers. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers,</div><div class="">Martín Silva</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 22, 2017, at 7:09 PM, Gustavo Paiva <<a href="mailto:gdp.direito@gmail.com" class="">gdp.direito@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">I appreciate your suggestion, Michael. I'll start working on a draft.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Gustavo Paiva.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On 22 August 2017 at 18:15, Michael Oghia <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:mike.oghia@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">mike.oghia@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="">+1 Michael.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Might I suggest that those interested in speaking at the event as well as those who want to host it create a draft agenda along with some proposed aims and objectives?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div class="m_-6845852518058683332gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size="2" class="">Best,</font></div><div class=""><font size="2" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" class="">-Michael<br class=""></font></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""></div></div></div>
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<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Mike <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:mkaranicolas@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">mkaranicolas@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">Hi all,</div><div id="m_-6845852518058683332m_-3867600263835119944AppleMailSignature" class=""><br class=""></div><div id="m_-6845852518058683332m_-3867600263835119944AppleMailSignature" class="">I feel very strongly that we shouldn't be self-censoring our topics for discussion based on the fact that the venue is Abu Dhabi. It's bad enough we are going to have members who cannot attend based on their activist backgrounds. If we approach this from the perspective of avoiding any discussion that might make waves, there's no point even showing up.</div><div id="m_-6845852518058683332m_-3867600263835119944AppleMailSignature" class=""><br class=""></div><div id="m_-6845852518058683332m_-3867600263835119944AppleMailSignature" class="">I agree that this could be the topic for a wonderful discussion at Brazilian IGF, but I don't see the two conversations as being mutually exclusive, especially as many (most?) of us won't be at that meeting.</div><div id="m_-6845852518058683332m_-3867600263835119944AppleMailSignature" class=""><br class=""></div><div id="m_-6845852518058683332m_-3867600263835119944AppleMailSignature" class="">I'll also add that I understand concerns raised earlier about normative statements but, from my perspective, this discussion would be less about establishing an official NCUC position and more about feeling the topic out. I wouldn't expect the discussion to end with any sort of "official" conclusion that Cloudflare was wrong (or right), but given that this is an issue with implications for ICANN going forward, it would be useful to come together and share some preliminary thoughts about future challenges. At least, that's how I see it. Let's have the conversation.</div><div id="m_-6845852518058683332m_-3867600263835119944AppleMailSignature" class=""><br class=""></div><div id="m_-6845852518058683332m_-3867600263835119944AppleMailSignature" class="">Best,</div><div id="m_-6845852518058683332m_-3867600263835119944AppleMailSignature" class=""><br class=""></div><div id="m_-6845852518058683332m_-3867600263835119944AppleMailSignature" class="">Michael</div><div id="m_-6845852518058683332m_-3867600263835119944AppleMailSignature" class=""><br class="">Sent from my iPhone</div><div class=""><div class="m_-6845852518058683332h5"><div class=""><br class="">On Aug 22, 2017, at 12:54 PM, Viviane Vinagre <<a href="mailto:vivianegvinagre@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">vivianegvinagre@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><span class="m_-6845852518058683332m_-3867600263835119944gmail-im"><div class="">"<span style="font-size:12.8px" class="">I understand
James's concern for scope, just like Bill I don't yet know what to think
either, but it seems that Ayden's line that DNS, as a technical
framework, "is being used to determine who can and cannot disseminate
knowledge and opinions" is absolutely enough for us to put this
discussion forward for the time being."<br class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="">I also agree with what Claudio said, I think the best option for us is doing a workshop and discuss that matter in the Brazillian IGF. And as Gustavo I think we would have a </span>better civilized, productive debate, with both sides being represented in Brazil than in Abu Dhabi where the enviroment about freedom of expression isn't that good. <br class=""><br class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:12.8px" class=""><br class=""></span></div></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">2017-08-21 17:13 GMT-03:00 Jeremy Malcolm <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org" target="_blank" class="">jmalcolm@eff.org</a>></span>:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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On 20/8/17 12:37 pm, Stephanie Perrin wrote:<br class="">
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<font size="+1" class=""><font face="Lucida Grande" class="">I agree, let's not
escalate things ourselves. I think the CEO of Cloudfare has
expressed it quite well:
<a class="m_-6845852518058683332m_-3867600263835119944m_6956135774088660522moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/17/cloudflare-ceo-says-removing-the-daily-stormer-is-slippery-slope.html" target="_blank">https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/1<wbr class="">7/cloudflare-ceo-says-removing<wbr class="">-the-daily-stormer-is-slippery<wbr class="">-slope.html</a>.<br class="">
I think we should have this discussion, am neutral as to the
appropriate setting. I bet Michael Nelson from Cloudfare will
be there, he would be good to talk to as a discussant of the
matter.<br class="">
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Also Namecheap, if you haven't seen this piece of theirs, especially
the addendum:<br class="">
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