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<p>I have worked with the termination of domain names for
intellectual property reasons for two decades at and outside of
ICANN. I'll be there and happy to serve on a panel. These are the
issues of our day.<br>
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<p>Best, Kathy<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/21/2017 8:44 AM, Mueller, Milton L
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am in agreement with both David and James ;-)
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">There
are potential effects of ICANN policy, but there is also a
need to clarify where ICANN’s involvement does not exist or
is being misinterpreted.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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I see no reason not to discuss this in ICANN 60.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">As
someone who has tracked and published about intermediary
immunities and responsibilities I’d be happy to moderate
such a discussion, but I assume EFF’s Jeremy will also be
there and I know Tatiana, who worked with me on a panel on a
similar issue at Rightscon, would also be qualified. Perhaps
all three of us could lead a discussion. James will you be
there?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>David Cake<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 21, 2017 2:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> James Gannon
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net"><james@cyberinvasion.net></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Session on
termination of domains for hate speech at ICANN 60<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 19 Aug 2017, at 8:13 pm, James
Gannon <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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honest, I’m not sure of the relevance to ICANN
here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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we were at a Cloudflare conference I would agree
as noted there is no process in that space.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">But
in ICANN space, there is policy which is being
followed to the letter.
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</span>That is exactly why this discussion is relevant
to ICANN policy space and NCUC. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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is no denial of access to infrastructure occurring
here. There are private companies refusing
service, as is their right, and ICANN policy on
domain transfers within the 60 day window being
applied. I don’t see where the discussion in the
ICANN sphere is needed. No registry has blanket
denied access to their registry, no RIR has denied
access to IP space, and ICANN has not issued any
policy edicts on the topic.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span>I do not think the domain transfer policy was
intended as a mechanism to lock registrants out of being
able to have any active registrar, which is how it is
being applied in effect here. That an ICANN policy is
having an unintended effect (or at least, not widely
understood effect that is somewhat controversial) is
always worth discussing. <o:p></o:p></p>
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</span>David<o:p></o:p></p>
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