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<br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-08-19 23:10 GMT-03:00 Jeremy Malcolm <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org" target="_blank">jmalcolm@eff.org</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>On 08/19/2017 05:13 AM, James Gannon wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Being
honest, I’m not sure of the relevance to ICANN here.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>If
we were at a Cloudflare conference I would agree as noted
there is no process in that space.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>But
in ICANN space, there is policy which is being followed to
the letter. There is no denial of access to infrastructure
occurring here. There are private companies refusing
service, as is their right, and ICANN policy on domain
transfers within the 60 day window being applied. I don’t
see where the discussion in the ICANN sphere is needed. No
registry has blanket denied access to their registry, no RIR
has denied access to IP space, and ICANN has not issued any
policy edicts on the topic.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I
personally wouldn’t support the hosting of such a
discussion, as most of the unanswered questions exist
outside the ICANN space and thus this meeting wouldn’t be
appropriate venue.</span></p>
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I can't really understand why you would say that. I'm on the Review
of all RPMs working group, and one of the issues being discussed
there (in its own subgroup) is the impact of the registries' and
registrars' own terms of service that go beyond their
responsibilities to ICANN, for example the Donuts DPML which creates
a layer of trademark protection on top of the formal ICANN
processes. Another example was the Healthy Domains Initiative,
where we kicked up a stink about the PIR proposal for a kind of
"UDRP for copyright".<br>
<br>
This is basically the same type of discussion. I can't imagine how
it could be outside the scope of NCUC, unless we are taking a pretty
myopic view of its mission.<br>
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