<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Thanks Michael for sharing your thoughts.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">The deattribution might not work properly for the reasons Ayden and Dorothy have mentionned. The NCUC EC is a small team and we kinda know each other to be able to know who said what.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">However, i like the idea of sharing comments/feedback ONLY with candidates so they can improve their candidancy. The how of this can still be determined but that can be considered as the start of an open process.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Regards,</div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Arsene<br><br><div>-----------------</div><div>Arsène Tungali,</div><div><a href="http://about.me/ArseneTungali">about.me/ArseneTungali</a></div><div>+243 993810967</div><div>GPG: 523644A0</div><div>Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo</div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)</div><div><br>On Aug 7, 2017, at 10:04 PM, dorothy g <<a href="mailto:dgdorothydg@gmail.com">dgdorothydg@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">It is quite easy to determine who is writing from the style of the communication so I do not think the proposed 'anonymisation' would work. Making the process too public may result in serious distortions. I would just like the evaluation matrix and weighting to be transparent. We just need to know the criteria that were used in the decision-making. I do not think we need to go further than that. We should not make the burden of office or standing for election embarrassing and uncomfortable. I am personally very grateful for all those who work so hard on our behalf.<div>best</div><div>D</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 7:27 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hello everyone, <div><br></div><div>+1 one on Michael's comment! And also some questions: </div><div><br></div><div>1. Should we think of the transparency levels that is given to the EC deliberations? Like disclosing the information with the obliterated names of the members who decided and their comments, or to only disclose the decision and number of votes per candidate inside the EC. </div><div><br></div><div>2. Do you think that the EC should publish its decisions and deliberations in a exercise of active transparency or they should only be disclosed under request (that being a passive transparency exercise). </div><div><br></div><div>Best, </div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">2017-08-07 16:03 GMT-03:00 Ayden Férdeline <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span>:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div>Hi, <br></div><div><br></div><div>Just a quick reaction on deattribution: given how small the Executive Committee is, is it really possible to anonymise their comments? (I suspect it isn’t.)<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes, Ayden Férdeline <br></div><div class="m_-811096582921724339HOEnZb"><div class="m_-811096582921724339h5"><div class="m_-811096582921724339m_-4599636787137134693protonmail_signature_block"><div class="m_-811096582921724339m_-4599636787137134693protonmail_signature_block-proton m_-811096582921724339m_-4599636787137134693protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="m_-811096582921724339m_-4599636787137134693protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div>-------- Original Message --------<br></div><div>Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] A note from the Executive Committee - On Transparency and NomCom Selection Process<br></div><div>Local Time: 7 August 2017 7:48 PM<br></div><div>UTC Time: 7 August 2017 18:48<br></div><div>From: <a href="mailto:mkaranicolas@gmail.com" target="_blank">mkaranicolas@gmail.com</a><br></div><div>To: NCUC-discuss <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi all,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Just to build on this discussion, I'd like to suggest a proposal for future processes, to see what the community thinks. As noted in the above email, there are two main concerns with expanding transparency in these processes. The first concerns the potential impact on the candour of the deliberative process, the second concerns whether having open discussions of candidates' strengths and weaknesses might deter people from running for positions. I think both of these are legitimate concerns. However, in designing transparency systems, when we see potential harms like this, we don't necessarily give up on trying to expand openness. Rather, we try and develop a solution which avoids these harms, but which nonetheless provides for a boost in openness.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I would propose that, for future nominations processes, after deliberations have concluded, and the successful candidate(s) have been informed, the EC collate the email discussions together and de-attribute them - so it is not possible to determine which EC member said what, but that all comments are preserved. These anonymized comments can then be sent to all candidates - which will be helpful for them in assessing their own candidacy, and potential areas of improvement. The candidates will then be asked if they consent to the document being publicly distributed and <u style="font-weight:bold">if they consent,</u> it can then be made public.<br></div><div><br></div><div>My idea is that the de-attribution will prevent concerns that EC members will be held personally responsible for critical assessments of candidates, while the requirement for candidates' consent to disclosure will ensure that, in cases where people are uncomfortable with what has been said about them, they can keep it from being distributed.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thoughts?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Michael Karanicolas<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 9:09 PM, Farell Folly <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:farellfolly@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">farellfolly@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div>Indeed Farzaneh, this is a new opportunity for the members to react on this document and suggests some improvments. I was very honored to work on the Netiquette and Events proposal submissions procedures, and will be happy to help on any question regarding those two sections of the Procedures doc.<br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="m_-811096582921724339m_-4599636787137134693h5"><div dir="ltr">Le mar. 1 août 2017 à 22:55, farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="m_-811096582921724339m_-4599636787137134693h5"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif" class="gmail_default"><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Dear NCUC members,<br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Thanks to everyone for having engaged in a robust discussion on this latest nomination. Since the question of transparency has been raised, we thought it best to respond regarding our thought process, and the road ahead.<br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">As many on this list have noted, transparency is of the utmost importance in these processes. The community needs to be confident that the process was fair, honest and accountable. We take this responsibility seriously. As others have also noted, there are competing considerations that need to be carefully balanced as part of these processes. These include the ability of the EC to openly and honestly express their views about candidates, discussing their weaknesses as well as their strengths. It is also worth noting that often the candidates for these positions are our respected colleagues. The process requires that EC members be able to discuss their preferences frankly, without worrying that their remarks will lead to personal animosity down the line. Another important consideration is that we want to structure the process in a way that encourages candidates to run. Having our assessments of their strengths and weaknesses made public could be an unpleasant experience for potential candidates, discouraging them from seeking positions. <br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">These considerations were much less of an issue in this case, as we were fortunate enough to have two outstanding candidates, either of whom would have made an excellent NomCom rep - but they are principles of general importance. So how should these considerations be balanced against our fundamental responsibility to execute a transparent and accountable process, and one which inspires confidence among the membership of the NCUC?<br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Ultimately, the path forward depends on you - the community. For those who have raised calls for more transparency - your timing could not be better. We are currently in the midst of a consultation on our revised operating procedures, which includes protocols on this very issue. We agree that there needs to be more clarification on how these processes are handled next time, and we invite you all to weigh in, either here or, preferably, in the draft consultation document, available at:<a style="font-size:12.8px" href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uolqcYivX_KVOgPdjl3wB_aBkHyLcFkvzNsNU47BRQY/edit#heading=h.1x7lfonwlklh" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank"> https://docs.google.com/do<wbr>cument/d/1uolqcYivX_KVOgPdjl3w<wbr>B_aBkHyLcFkvzNsNU47BRQY/edit#h<wbr>eading=h.1x7lfonwlklh</a><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">So tell us - how can we improve things? <br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">NCUC Executive Committee<br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Renata Acquino Ribeiro<br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">David Cake<br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Farzaneh Badii<br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Michael Karanikolas<br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Tatiana Tropina<br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br></div></div><div><div class="m_-811096582921724339m_-4599636787137134693m_-7640984112795043678m_-5619800332033289439gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div class="m_-811096582921724339m_-4599636787137134693h5"><div>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br></div><div> Ncuc-discuss mailing list<br></div><div> <a href="mailto:Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a><br></div><div> <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss</a><br></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><span class="m_-811096582921724339m_-4599636787137134693HOEnZb"><span class="m_-811096582921724339m_-4599636787137134693colour" style="color:#888888"><div dir="ltr">-- <br></div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" class="m_-811096582921724339m_-4599636787137134693m_-7640984112795043678gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Regards<br></div><div><div>@__f_f__<br></div><div><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/fa<wbr>rellf</a> <br></div></div></div></div></span></span><div><br></div><div>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br></div><div> Ncuc-discuss mailing list<br></div><div> <a href="mailto:Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a><br></div><div> <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss</a><br></div><div> <br></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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