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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I agree with Dorothy....In
my view, the important thing from a transparency and fairness
perspective, is to accurately calculate what qualities,
skills, experience, etc we need for the job, and figure out a
fair weighting of points, keeping in mind gender and regional
representation concerns. Then we publish that in advance. We
have a lot of work to do just to reach this level of maturity,
in my view, as we could see from the reception that the grid
Ayden prepared for the SSC received. In my view, assessment
of what is needed and evaluation of candidates is actually
quite difficult, and I don't think we as a group necessarily
can reach agreement right now on which roles are good for
newcomers, and which demand experience, which require previous
participation on PDPs, etc.. Once we have a thorough
discussion of these factors, and agree to do the work up front
on the assessment grid (a non-trivial piece of work), then,
frankly, the assessment grid does the job for us, there is
very little need to comment further on the characteristics of
the candidates, except to commend the winner on having
demonstrated x</font></font>, y, and Z. <font size="+1"><br>
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<p><font size="+1">We don't have enough folks joining in the working
groups and contributing to comments, in my view. That should be
our priority, getting people onto working teams, helping mentor
them along, and not doing anything that might discourage them
from trying to participate more actively.</font></p>
<p><font size="+1">Stephanie Perrin.</font><br>
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<div dir="ltr">It is quite easy to determine who is writing from
the style of the communication so I do not think the proposed
'anonymisation' would work. Making the process too public may
result in serious distortions. I would just like the evaluation
matrix and weighting to be transparent. We just need to know the
criteria that were used in the decision-making. I do not think
we need to go further than that. We should not make the burden
of office or standing for election embarrassing and
uncomfortable. I am personally very grateful for all those who
work so hard on our behalf.
<div>best</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 7:27 PM, Bruna
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<div dir="ltr">Hello everyone,
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<div>+1 one on Michael's comment! And also some
questions: </div>
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<div>1. Should we think of the transparency levels that is
given to the EC deliberations? Like disclosing the
information with the obliterated names of the members
who decided and their comments, or to only disclose the
decision and number of votes per candidate inside the
EC. </div>
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<div>2. Do you think that the EC should publish its
decisions and deliberations in a exercise of active
transparency or they should only be disclosed under
request (that being a passive transparency exercise). </div>
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<div>Best, </div>
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<div class="h5">2017-08-07 16:03 GMT-03:00 Ayden
Férdeline <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>Hi, <br>
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<div>Just a quick reaction on deattribution: given
how small the Executive Committee is, is it
really possible to anonymise their comments? (I
suspect it isn’t.)<br>
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<div>Best wishes, Ayden Férdeline <br>
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<div>Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] A note from
the Executive Committee - On Transparency
and NomCom Selection Process<br>
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<div>Local Time: 7 August 2017 7:48 PM<br>
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<div>UTC Time: 7 August 2017 18:48<br>
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<div>From: <a
href="mailto:mkaranicolas@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mkaranicolas@gmail.com</a><br>
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<div>To: NCUC-discuss <<a
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<div>Hi all,<br>
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<div>Just to build on this discussion, I'd
like to suggest a proposal for future
processes, to see what the community
thinks. As noted in the above email,
there are two main concerns with
expanding transparency in these
processes. The first concerns the
potential impact on the candour of the
deliberative process, the second
concerns whether having open discussions
of candidates' strengths and weaknesses
might deter people from running for
positions. I think both of these are
legitimate concerns. However, in
designing transparency systems, when we
see potential harms like this, we don't
necessarily give up on trying to expand
openness. Rather, we try and develop a
solution which avoids these harms, but
which nonetheless provides for a boost
in openness.<br>
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<div>I would propose that, for future
nominations processes, after
deliberations have concluded, and the
successful candidate(s) have been
informed, the EC collate the email
discussions together and de-attribute
them - so it is not possible to
determine which EC member said what, but
that all comments are preserved. These
anonymized comments can then be sent to
all candidates - which will be helpful
for them in assessing their own
candidacy, and potential areas of
improvement. The candidates will then be
asked if they consent to the document
being publicly distributed and <u
style="font-weight:bold">if they
consent,</u> it can then be made
public.<br>
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<div>My idea is that the de-attribution
will prevent concerns that EC members
will be held personally responsible for
critical assessments of candidates,
while the requirement for candidates'
consent to disclosure will ensure that,
in cases where people are uncomfortable
with what has been said about them, they
can keep it from being distributed.<br>
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<div>Thoughts?<br>
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<div>Michael Karanicolas<br>
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<div>On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 9:09 PM,
Farell Folly <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>Indeed Farzaneh, this is a new
opportunity for the members to
react on this document and
suggests some improvments. I was
very honored to work on the
Netiquette and Events proposal
submissions procedures, and will
be happy to help on any question
regarding those two sections of
the Procedures doc.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Le mar. 1 août
2017 à 22:55, farzaneh badii
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<div
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Dear
NCUC members,<br>
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<div
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Thanks
to everyone for having
engaged in a robust
discussion on this
latest nomination.
Since the question of
transparency has been
raised, we thought it
best to respond
regarding our thought
process, and the road
ahead.<br>
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style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br>
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<div
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">As
many on this list have
noted, transparency is
of the utmost
importance in these
processes. The
community needs to be
confident that the
process was fair,
honest and
accountable. We take
this responsibility
seriously. As others
have also noted, there
are competing
considerations that
need to be carefully
balanced as part of
these processes. These
include the ability of
the EC to openly and
honestly express their
views about
candidates, discussing
their weaknesses as
well as their
strengths. It is also
worth noting that
often the candidates
for these positions
are our respected
colleagues. The
process requires that
EC members be able to
discuss their
preferences frankly,
without worrying that
their remarks will
lead to personal
animosity down the
line. Another
important
consideration is that
we want to structure
the process in a way
that encourages
candidates to run.
Having our assessments
of their strengths and
weaknesses made public
could be an unpleasant
experience for
potential candidates,
discouraging them from
seeking positions. <br>
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<div
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">These
considerations were
much less of an issue
in this case, as we
were fortunate enough
to have two
outstanding
candidates, either of
whom would have made
an excellent NomCom
rep - but they are
principles of general
importance. So how
should these
considerations be
balanced against our
fundamental
responsibility to
execute a transparent
and accountable
process, and one which
inspires confidence
among the membership
of the NCUC?<br>
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<div
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><br>
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<div
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Ultimately,
the path forward
depends on you - the
community. For those
who have raised calls
for more transparency
- your timing could
not be better. We are
currently in the midst
of a consultation on
our revised operating
procedures, which
includes protocols on
this very issue. We
agree that there needs
to be more
clarification on how
these processes are
handled next time, and
we invite you all to
weigh in, either here
or, preferably, in the
draft consultation
document, available
at:<a
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<div
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">So
tell us - how can we
improve things? <br>
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Executive Committee<br>
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<div
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Renata
Acquino Ribeiro<br>
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<div
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Cake<br>
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<div
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Badii<br>
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<div
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Karanikolas<br>
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<div
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