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<div>Totally agree with Ginger but only those who have completed one fellowship program are only included in the fellows mailing list. I do not know it is the case here.</div>
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<div>De : Ginger Paque <virginiap@diplomacy.edu> </div>
<div>Date : 27/07/2017 21:21 (GMT+00:00) </div>
<div>À : "McLaughlin, Lisa" <mclauglm@miamioh.edu> </div>
<div>Cc : NCUC-discuss <ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org>, siranush.vardanyan@icann.org
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<div>Objet : Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Facebook as an obligatory requirement for being ICANN60 fellow
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<div dir="ltr">Sorry if I misunderstand the relationship between the NCUC and the ICANN fellowship programme. A good start would be the ICANN fellowship programme list, or at least a list like this one but including people at the source. I hope it was clear
that I totally agree with the points made. FB is not an appropriate venue for an ICANN fellowship compulsory group I only think the discussion should include ICANN fellowship people who can respond and clarify, which started to happen by including Siranush
while I was writing, and posts were crossing each other, and perhaps should have started with an email to the ICANN fellowship team (perhaps it did, and I did not catch it).
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<div>Not a FB fan, LIsa.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Ginger, what would be an appropriate place to discuss ICANN fellowship rules? Facebook?
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<div dir="ltr">I'm not sure if this is the appropriate place to discuss ICANN fellowship rules, although I think this is very important. When I was an ICANN fellow, a mailing list was all that was required for online communication. Non-commercial and more private
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Seun Ojedeji <span dir="ltr">
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<div dir="auto">Normally fellows are encouraged to participate in social media for experience sharing to somewhat promote the program.</div>
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<div dir="auto">That said, I agree that the choice of word used by staff seem to imply a compulsory requirement but I want to believe it's a lower "r" kindof requirement and they really don't mean it as such. </div>
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<div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">When I was a fellow there used to be a 7am fellows session(I think it still happen) and I will hear Mama J say things in the line of "coming promptly is a requirement.... don't try me guys". While we don't
want to see the red part of Mama J, some of us that goofed occasionally, found that it was rather important and in our interest to be prompt as there wasn't a checkbox that we ultimately has unchecked (if any). So being a requirement became more of a secondary
thing, the value one get(or may loose) in not attending became primary. </span><br>
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<div dir="auto">Overall there are good advantage and bonding that happens via social media but ofcourse it should remain optional. I think it's good to note this to staff and should be a minor thing to fix.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 27, 2017 8:23 PM, "thomascovenant" <<a href="mailto:thomascovenant@thomascovenant.org" target="_blank">thomascovenant@thomascovenant<wbr>.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">
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Hello,<br>
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I am writing about a general matter that can still be quite important to<br>
some.<br>
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I respectfully disagree with making Facebook obligatory for ICANN<br>
Fellowship program participation, yet it doesn't seem possible<br>
to question this decision.<br>
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Further, the decision to deny fellowship to those who do not comply with<br>
Facebook demand makes no sense to me.<br>
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I would welcome diverse participation of FOSS community, privacy<br>
activists and ethical hacking communities in ICANN work. It can be very<br>
valuable.<br>
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I don't want any single fellow be forced to compromise their principles<br>
in order to make volunteer contribution to ICANN work (please read the<br>
links below).<br>
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At the moment this is solved by forcing to register under a false name,<br>
which is not the right thing to do on behalf of a large organization.<br>
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Alternative means of communication should be easily available to those<br>
who ask for them, minor detail of communication platform should not be<br>
the reason to discourage volunteer work.<br>
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We also have Chinese and Iranian fellows. Some countries impose FB<br>
cencorship (wiki link below), which can also be an issue...<br>
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What are your thoughts on this general subject? And how a good solution<br>
can be found?<br>
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Best regards,<br>
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Dina Solveig Jalkanen,<br>
grateful for technical fellowship to ICANN60<br>
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Resources:<br>
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FB Censorship: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr>Censorship_of_Facebook</a><br>
Some information about Facebook from Richard Stallman:<br>
<a href="https://stallman.org/facebook.htm" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://stallman.org/facebook.<wbr>htm</a><br>
<a href="http://www.salimvirani.com/facebook" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.salimvirani.com/fac<wbr>ebook</a><br>
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>From public Fellowship emails by Siranush Vardanyan<br>
Fellowship Program Manager, Public Responsibility Support, ICANN:<br>
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"Last but not least: Social Media I will be creating an ICANN60 Facebook<br>
page which is a required participation for this program.<br>
Those who do not have Facebook page, please, create one, as you will be<br>
asked to join ICANN60 Facebook page."<br>
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Friendly geek in Amsterdam, FSFE Fellow<br>
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