<div dir="auto">All of this raises the issue of tolerance from both ICANN side (and its community) and the local host.<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><br><br>Regards<br>@__f_f__<br><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf">https://www.linkedin.com/in/farellf</a><br>________________________________<br>Mail sent from my mobile phone. Excuse for brievety.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">Le 17 juil. 2017 09:11, "Ayden Férdeline" <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>> a écrit :<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>I'm happy to raise my hand and to say I think ICANN should be collecting this data. ICANN should actively monitor diversity, not react passively to reports of harassment or discrimination (provided they react), and this data helps identify such gaps and define areas for improvement. Of course, the safety and security of the information that is gathered is essential, and crucial to building the trust and confidence of those being monitored. Just because we are collecting one's gender (and might I add, I think we should be collecting more than just that -- I would like to see sexual orientation collected too) does not mean it must be disclosed to the local host. This information should be disclosed on a 'need to know' basis only, and I'd think there would be pretty few instances where anyone would need to know these characteristics along with, say, the respondent's name.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes,<br></div><div><br></div><div class="m_3031641836824366580protonmail_signature_block"><div class="m_3031641836824366580protonmail_signature_block-user"><div>Ayden Férdeline<br></div><div><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline" title="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline" target="_blank">linkedin.com/in/ferdeline</a><br></div></div><div class="m_3031641836824366580protonmail_signature_block-proton m_3031641836824366580protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="m_3031641836824366580protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div>-------- Original Message --------<br></div><div>Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] A problem in registration form for ICANN60 Abu       Dhabi<br></div><div>Local Time: July 17, 2017 10:18 AM<br></div><div>UTC Time: July 17, 2017 8:18 AM<br></div><div>From: <a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net" target="_blank">james@cyberinvasion.net</a><br></div><div>To: Jesse Järvi <<a href="mailto:jesse.jarvi@gmail.com" target="_blank">jesse.jarvi@gmail.com</a>>, Cedric Laurant <<a href="mailto:cedric@laurant.org" target="_blank">cedric@laurant.org</a>><br></div><div><a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a> <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br></div><div><br></div><div> <br></div><div class="m_3031641836824366580WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span>I think a lot of people would agree with that, but there are a number of people who have been pushing for ICANN to collect an insane amount of personal infomratino on the grounds of diversity statistics
 so we might find pushback on that.</span><br></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_3031641836824366580__MailEndCompose"><span> </span></a><br></p><div><span></span><br></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Ncuc-discuss [mailto:<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-discuss-bounces@<wbr>lists.ncuc.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jesse Järvi<br> <b>Sent:</b> 17 July 2017 07:30<br> <b>To:</b> Cedric Laurant <<a href="mailto:cedric@laurant.org" target="_blank">cedric@laurant.org</a>><br> <b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] A problem in registration form for ICANN60 Abu Dhabi</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="MsoNormal">I personally suggest removing the gender field completely. It’s irrelevant information. <br></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></div><div><p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt" class="MsoNormal">Jesse<br></p><div><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span class="m_3031641836824366580colour" style="color:rgb(94,94,94)"><span class="m_3031641836824366580font" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif"><span class="m_3031641836824366580size" style="font-size:9pt"> </span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-stretch:normal;min-height:14.7px"><span class="m_3031641836824366580colour" style="color:rgb(94,94,94)"><span class="m_3031641836824366580font" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif"><span class="m_3031641836824366580size" style="font-size:9pt"> </span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-stretch:normal"><b><span class="m_3031641836824366580colour" style="color:rgb(94,94,94)"><span class="m_3031641836824366580font" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif"><span class="m_3031641836824366580size" style="font-size:12pt">Jesse Mikael Järvi</span></span></span></b><span class="m_3031641836824366580colour" style="color:rgb(94,94,94)"><span class="m_3031641836824366580font" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif"><span class="m_3031641836824366580size" style="font-size:9pt"></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-stretch:normal"><b><span class="m_3031641836824366580colour" style="color:rgb(94,94,94)"><span class="m_3031641836824366580font" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif">IT Consultant</span></span></b><span class="m_3031641836824366580colour" style="color:rgb(94,94,94)"><span class="m_3031641836824366580font" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif"><span class="m_3031641836824366580size" style="font-size:8.5pt"></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-stretch:normal"><span class="m_3031641836824366580colour" style="color:rgb(145,145,145)"><span class="m_3031641836824366580font" style="font-family:Helvetica-Light,serif"><span class="m_3031641836824366580size" style="font-size:18pt">Email: <a href="mailto:me@jessejarvi.net" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank"><span class="m_3031641836824366580colour" style="color:rgb(0,122,255)">me@jessejarvi.net</span></a></span></span></span><span class="m_3031641836824366580colour" style="color:rgb(0,122,255)"><span class="m_3031641836824366580font" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><span class="m_3031641836824366580size" style="font-size:13.5pt"></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-stretch:normal"><span class="m_3031641836824366580colour" style="color:rgb(145,145,145)"><span class="m_3031641836824366580font" style="font-family:Helvetica-Light,serif"><span class="m_3031641836824366580size" style="font-size:18pt">Phone: </span></span></span><u><span class="m_3031641836824366580colour" style="color:rgb(0,122,255)"><span class="m_3031641836824366580font" style="font-family:Helvetica-Light,serif"><span class="m_3031641836824366580size" style="font-size:18pt">+358 400 401020</span></span></span></u><span class="m_3031641836824366580colour" style="color:rgb(0,122,255)"><span class="m_3031641836824366580font" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><span class="m_3031641836824366580size" style="font-size:13.5pt"></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-stretch:normal"><span class="m_3031641836824366580colour" style="color:rgb(145,145,145)"><span class="m_3031641836824366580font" style="font-family:Helvetica-Light,serif"><span class="m_3031641836824366580size" style="font-size:18pt">LinkedIn: <a href="https://linkedin.com/in/jessejarvi" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank"><span class="m_3031641836824366580colour" style="color:rgb(0,122,255)">Jesse Mikael Järvi</span></a></span></span></span><span class="m_3031641836824366580colour" style="color:rgb(0,122,255)"><span class="m_3031641836824366580font" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><span class="m_3031641836824366580size" style="font-size:13.5pt"></span></span></span><br></p><p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-stretch:normal;min-height:19.6px"><span class="m_3031641836824366580font" style="font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif"><span class="m_3031641836824366580size" style="font-size:13pt"><br></span></span></p></div><div><p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt" class="MsoNormal"></p><div><br></div><div>On Jul 17, 2017, at 8:34 AM, Cedric Laurant <<a href="mailto:cedric@laurant.org" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">cedric@laurant.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"></p><div>It is indeed irrelevant for the purpose of a public event registration.<br></div><div> What might be relevant is how people want to be addressed in<br></div><div> correspondence or in panels. It would therefore be sufficient to add a<br></div><div> field with "Mr"/"Mrs"/"Dr", etc.<br></div><div> Cédric<br></div><div> <br></div><div> On 7/17/17 12:18 AM, Tapani Tarvainen wrote:<br></div><div> <br></div><p></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">We might want to lobby to change the "Other" selection to<br></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">"don't want to say" or "irrelevant" something to that effect<br></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">and then all select that.<br></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Even better would be to get rid of the question altogether<br></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">on grounds that it is irrelevant.<br></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Tapani<br></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">On Jul 16 21:12, Renata Aquino Ribeiro (<a href="mailto:raquino@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">raquino@gmail.com</a>) wrote:<br></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Hello<br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">I have just read the raw transcript of the last WS2-Diversity meeting<br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Meeting page<br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=66089058" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/<wbr>pages/viewpage.action?pageId=<wbr>66089058</a><br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Raw transcript<br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/66089058/DIVERSITY%20SUBGROUP%20MEETING%20_07132017-FINAL-en.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1500220959000&api=v2" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/<wbr>download/attachments/66089058/<wbr>DIVERSITY%20SUBGROUP%<wbr>20MEETING%20_07132017-FINAL-<wbr>en.pdf?version=1&<wbr>modificationDate=<wbr>1500220959000&api=v2</a><br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">The raw transcript means it is the 1st form of the transcript, no corrections<br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">But what I read made me caught my attention enough to share this on the lists<br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Especially giving the discussion about reviewing where meetings happen<br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Apparently there was a "concern" with registration to ICANN60 because<br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">"a form" presented the follow question and options of response<br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Gender:  Male/Female/Other<br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">The "other" option raised the "concern" and ombudsman brought up that<br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">this was the theme of a conversation w/ local organization<br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">So what would happen if ICANN had, let's say, a number of<br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">registrations of "Other" ?<br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Would this be theme for other conversations between ombudsman and<br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">local organizers?<br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Are there any data collected by registration form that would cause<br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">"concern" to local organizers?<br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">And sorry about the extensive use of quote marks. The words are a bit<br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">surprising and I tried to soften the blow.<br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Renata<br></p></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">______________________________<wbr>_________________<br></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Ncuc-discuss mailing list<br></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a><br></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss</a><br></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"> <br></p></blockquote><p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt" class="MsoNormal"></p><div>-- <br></div><div> Cédric Laurant<br></div><div> Global Data Privacy Attorney & Public Policy Expert<br></div><div> (<a href="http://cedriclaurant.com" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://cedriclaurant.com</a>)<br></div><div> Attorney at Law (District of Columbia Bar, USA) - Abogado | CIPM,<br></div><div> CIPP/US, CIPP/E, FIP<br></div><div> <a href="mailto:Cedric@Laurant.org" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Cedric@Laurant.org</a> (**)<br></div><div> (**) GPG: 347F F3D6 DBE5 8075 5B2C E093 1FEC 5AC6 220B 2548 (Download:<br></div><div> <a href="http://tinyurl.com/email-cedric" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/email-<wbr>cedric</a>)<br></div><div> <br></div><p></p></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"></p><div>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br></div><div> Ncuc-discuss mailing list<br></div><div> <a href="mailto:Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a><br></div><div> <a href="http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss</a><br></div><p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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