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<p>+1 to Farzi.</p>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Ncuc-discuss <ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org> on behalf of farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii@gmail.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> 29 June 2017 14:04:24<br>
<b>To:</b> Niels ten Oever<br>
<b>Cc:</b> NCUC-discuss<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Cross Community Discussion/ Geographic Names at the Top Level Session II</font>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I certainly think it's a bad thing. They can force you to be a resident of a region to register a domain name and there are certain governments I do not want to see operating generic name TLDs
and many more reasons which we can explore of course. Of course not all CCNSOs are governmental and I don't know where you are bringing your success rate from and how you measure it. But I certainly don't want to see landgrab from gTLD space.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Niels ten Oever <span dir="ltr">
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Do we think this is a bad thing per se?<br>
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Maybe ccTLDs are better at building TLDs than the ppl in the gTLD space,<br>
especially if you look at the outcomes of the last gTLD round (largely<br>
spam and defensive registration).<br>
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Best,<br>
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Niels<br>
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On 06/29/2017 02:34 PM, farzaneh badii wrote:<br>
> Hi<br>
><br>
> This is about procedures for new gtlds and does not affect the already<br>
> existing ones.<br>
><br>
> The issue is some in GAC and CCNSO want to claim any name that is<br>
> remotely related to the sovereign. The danger is that, they can claim<br>
> some generic names too that happen to relate to a sovereign. If they are<br>
> delegated the names, they will have whatever rule the sovereign wants<br>
> for domain registration. It is certainly a landgrab. The plan is to grab<br>
> as much as they can from gTLD space and move it to ccTLD space.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Farzaneh<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Niels ten Oever<br>
</span><span class="">> <<a href="mailto:lists@digitaldissidents.org">lists@digitaldissidents.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:lists@digitaldissidents.org">lists@<wbr>digitaldissidents.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> I liked the presentation of Jaap Akkerhuis when he presented to the GAC<br>
> about this issue. The ISO list has a clear hierarchy, but this is not<br>
> present in the DNS. There is a Berlin in Wisconsin, Idaho, Ohio, New<br>
> Jersey, Maryland and Germany. Who should get it?<br>
><br>
> And what happens to already allocated geonames such as .amsterdam,<br>
> .berlin, .friesland, etc?<br>
><br>
> The GAC has no model to solve this whatsoever, so am not so clear what<br>
> they are pushing for. Or do they want to offer priority in the auction<br>
> process to geographies? I would not necessarily be against that. Or did<br>
> I miss something?<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
><br>
> Niels<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 06/29/2017 01:49 PM, hfaiedh ines wrote:<br>
> > We are currently attending the session. If you have any opinions or<br>
> > questions you would like me to transmit please don't hesitate.<br>
> ><br>
> > On Jun 29, 2017 11:05, "Farell Folly" <<a href="mailto:farellfolly@gmail.com">farellfolly@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:farellfolly@gmail.com">farellfolly@gmail.com</a>><br>
</span><span class="">> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:farellfolly@gmail.com">farellfolly@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:farellfolly@gmail.com">farellfolly@gmail.com</a>><wbr>>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Dear Farzaneh,<br>
> ><br>
> > You are totally right.. I attended the 1st meeting few days ago and<br>
> > I will attend the one of the afternoon. Discussions are very<br>
> > serious. I would like to work on that.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Regards<br>
> > @__f_f__<br>
> ><br>
> > Computer Security | Internet of Things<br>
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> > ______________________________<wbr>__.<br>
> > Mail sent from my mobile phone. Excuse for brievety.<br>
> ><br>
> > Le 29 juin 2017 10:21, "farzaneh badii" <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com">farzaneh.badii@gmail.<wbr>com</a>><br>
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<div class="h5">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com">farzaneh.badii@gmail.<wbr>com</a>>>> a ¨¦crit :<br>
> ><br>
> > Dear all,<br>
> ><br>
> > I think as the noncommercial group we have not paid enough<br>
> > attention to the issue of Geographic names at the top level.By<br>
> > claiming sovereignty over Geo names, governments will<br>
> claim the<br>
> > Geo names. If we do not wake up and get active, we will not be<br>
> > able to rescue the generic names that happen to be Geo<br>
> names as<br>
> > well.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Today there will be a cross-community session and they will<br>
> > discuss various important issues but some of the questions are<br>
> > important and I recommend NCUC members attend the session. I<br>
> > have attached the agenda and some of the questions that<br>
> will be<br>
> > addressed are copied below:<br>
> ><br>
> > 17:00 Key Geo Names Issues to Address in the PDP<br>
> ><br>
> > 1. What makes a string a ¡°geographic name¡±?<br>
> ><br>
> > 2. When can a geographic name:<br>
> ><br>
> > ¡ñ Be applied for;<br>
> ><br>
> > ¡ñ Be delegated to a particular applicant?<br>
> ><br>
> > 3. If there are simultaneous applications for a geographic<br>
> name,<br>
> > how should this be<br>
> ><br>
> > resolved?<br>
> ><br>
> > 4. How could ¡°geographic use¡± be distinguished from<br>
> ¡°generic use¡±?<br>
> ><br>
> > 5. How can commitments to restrict a TLD to non-geographic use<br>
> > be monitored and enforced?<br>
> ><br>
> > Best<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Farzaneh<br>
> ><br>
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