<div dir="auto">Hello Niels,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We can agree to disagree as I personally would also agree that *dark web" is a place for much more significant bad stuff.</div><div dir="auto">A few useful references for anyone who cares:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><a href="https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-deep-dark-web-and-how-do-you-access-it" target="_blank">https://www.quora.com/What-is-<wbr>the-deep-dark-web-and-how-do-y<wbr>ou-access-it</a><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">"<span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"open sans";font-size:21px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Dark Web or Dark Net is a subset of the </span><a href="https://darkwebnews.com/news/how-mysterious-is-the-deep-web/" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(77,178,236);text-decoration-line:none;font-family:"open sans";font-size:21px" target="_blank">Deep Web</a><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"open sans";font-size:21px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> where there are sites that sell drugs, hacking software, counterfeit money and more."</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"open sans";font-size:21px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#333333" face="open sans"><span style="font-size:21px"><a href="https://darkwebnews.com/help-advice/access-dark-web/" target="_blank">https://darkwebnews.com/help-a<wbr>dvice/access-dark-web/</a></span></font><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#333333" face="open sans"><span style="font-size:21px"><br></span></font></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#333333" face="open sans"><span style="font-size:21px">I sure would agree with farell on the argument that it's probably a content area that may be out of scope for ICANN[1] but that isn't the point the proposed NCUC is making. </span></font></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#333333" face="open sans"><span style="font-size:21px"><br></span></font></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#333333" face="open sans"><span style="font-size:21px">Regard</span></font></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><font color="#333333" face="open sans"><span style="font-size:21px">1. Though I think it's a good educating resource for internet users.</span></font></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 28, 2017 5:44 PM, "Niels ten Oever" <<a href="mailto:lists@digitaldissidents.org" target="_blank">lists@digitaldissidents.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Seun,<br>
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On 06/28/2017 05:36 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:<br>
> On Jun 28, 2017 5:25 PM, "Niels ten Oever" <<a href="mailto:lists@digitaldissidents.org">lists@digitaldissidents.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:lists@digitaldissidents.org">lists@<wbr>digitaldissidents.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
>     On 06/28/2017 05:20 PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:<br>
>     > Hello,<br>
>     ><br>
>     > I am not a very active participant of the NCUC but but do follow<br>
>     > happening and as a member I find this of interest to me. I read<br>
>     through<br>
>     > the blog post and it was a good read; it seem quite educating and<br>
>     makes<br>
>     > a lot of sense. I may understand why a certain service provider<br>
>     may not<br>
>     > like the content but am not sure I understand the reason why NCUC is<br>
>     > making a statement against the blog post.<br>
><br>
>     Did you read the statement? Which argument did you not find compelling?<br>
><br>
><br>
> SO: I quote the following from the article:<br>
> "...... Tor serves many good purposes, but also attracts Dark Web users<br>
> wanting to keep their activities or marketplaces<br>
> secret /and /untraceable...."<br>
><br>
> It seem to me that the blog highlights the good and bad of a<br>
> tool/service. However your statement seem to indicate that the blog only<br>
> highlights the bad stuff. (ref: We sincerely hope you can correct the<br>
> negative language in your article)<br>
><br>
<br>
There is an inherent difference between Tor and the Dark Web. In the<br>
blog he says: Dark Web = Bad, Tor = Partially Good.<br>
<br>
The dark web is simply not bad. That is the problem with the blog.<br>
<br>
><br>
>     ><br>
>     > Overall, I know the views of members may not necessarily matter<br>
>     here (as<br>
>     > it seem the EC makes the decision), i will suggest that you provide<br>
>     > authoritative source for the definition of "dark web" and "deep<br>
>     web" in<br>
>     > your statement.<br>
><br>
>     <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_web" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/<wbr>Dark_web</a><br>
>     <<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_web" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/<wbr>wiki/Dark_web</a>><br>
><br>
><br>
> SO: Good if that is authoritative then it may be good to include that as<br>
> a reference in the statement.<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>     ><br>
>     > Regards<br>
>     ><br>
>     > On Jun 28, 2017 4:59 PM, "Niels ten Oever"<br>
>     <<a href="mailto:lists@digitaldissidents.org">lists@digitaldissidents.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:lists@digitaldissidents.org">lists@<wbr>digitaldissidents.org</a>><br>
>     > <mailto:<a href="mailto:lists@digitaldissidents.org">lists@<wbr>digitaldissidents.org</a><br>
>     <mailto:<a href="mailto:lists@digitaldissidents.org">lists@<wbr>digitaldissidents.org</a>>>> wrote:<br>
>     ><br>
>     >     Hi all,<br>
>     ><br>
>     >     This morning the ICANN VP for Security and IT published a<br>
>     blogpost which<br>
>     >     appeared in this mornings newsletter, as well as on ICANNs website<br>
>     >     concerning the Dark Web.<br>
>     ><br>
>     ><br>
>      <a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hidden-services" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/news/<wbr>blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-<wbr>hidden-services</a><br>
>     <<a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hidden-services" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/news/<wbr>blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-<wbr>hidden-services</a>><br>
>     ><br>
>      <<a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hidden-services" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/news/<wbr>blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-<wbr>hidden-services</a><br>
>     <<a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-hidden-services" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/news/<wbr>blog/the-dark-web-the-land-of-<wbr>hidden-services</a>>><br>
>     ><br>
>     >     A number of us got together and drafted an email to the author<br>
>     to give<br>
>     >     him an opportunity to correct the falsehoods that are stated<br>
>     in the<br>
>     >     blog.<br>
>     ><br>
>     >     We have two options:<br>
>     ><br>
>     >     1. Send the letter on behalf of the NCUC<br>
>     >     2. Sign the letter in your personal capacities.<br>
>     ><br>
>     >     Let's discuss it here, but feel free to already sign (as a<br>
>     fallback<br>
>     >     option).<br>
>     ><br>
>     >     You can find the draft letter here:<br>
>     ><br>
>     ><br>
>      <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOpbkLbx9jdD49y3CAKVLoac/edit" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/<wbr>document/d/<wbr>1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOpbkLbx9j<wbr>dD49y3CAKVLoac/edit</a><br>
>     <<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOpbkLbx9jdD49y3CAKVLoac/edit" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/<wbr>document/d/<wbr>1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOpbkLbx9j<wbr>dD49y3CAKVLoac/edit</a>><br>
>     ><br>
>      <<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOpbkLbx9jdD49y3CAKVLoac/edit" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/<wbr>document/d/<wbr>1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOpbkLbx9j<wbr>dD49y3CAKVLoac/edit</a><br>
>     <<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOpbkLbx9jdD49y3CAKVLoac/edit" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/<wbr>document/d/<wbr>1xB19ycvHPH9TagLjEiAnOpbkLbx9j<wbr>dD49y3CAKVLoac/edit</a>>><br>
>     ><br>
>     >     Best,<br>
>     ><br>
>     >     Niels<br>
>     ><br>
>     >     --<br>
>     >     Niels ten Oever<br>
>     >     Head of Digital<br>
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>     Head of Digital<br>
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