<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Peter,<br><br></div>If I may ask, what are you trying to achieve with this case now? Did you still want to be part of the NCUC?<br><br></div>-Raoul<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 22 April 2017 at 19:28, Stephanie Perrin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Hi Peter. I see your
point here, and would be happy to correct the record, although
I do think it is a trivial one, i.e. whether the booth was a
CONAC booth, or a CNNIC booth. My point was that you were
missing our meetings and working with colleagues, and you had
the decency to leave those colleagues with whom you were busy,
come up to me as I rushed between meetings and apologize for
the fact that you had to work (presumably on your day job,
although you did not say so). As I indicated below, I did not
interrogate you at the time, and I am not going to do it now.
My apologies for making the mistake, I shall happily take your
word for it, it was not the booth of your immediate employer
and I do not know what work you were doing. I observed you
there on other occasions and leapt to conclusions, based also
on your own remarks to me.<br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande"><br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I don't think this is
a material misrepresentation of the underlying fact that while
travelling as a funded member of our executive, you were
obliged to do work for your employer/with your colleagues that
apparently interfered with your responsibilities to NCUC. I
am not sure that this public airing of the situation is doing
anything to rectify the situation, and I know so little about
the matter, since I am not a member of the executive
committee, and did not participate in the discussions with the
Ombudsman, that I am going to withdraw the comment publicly,
apologize to you for any error, and stop this discussion of
the matter right here. I can understand that you might not care
to discuss all the other issues I raised below, and that is
quite fine with me. Your membership in NCUC is a matter that
is to be determined by the executive committee, not this
list. I remain convinced that the matter of conflict of
interest and lack of transparency in employment situations is
something we as a constituency need to address. <br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande"><br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">With my apologies for
any harm that this mistake may have done to your reputation,
and looking forward to productive work on our actual
non-commercial issues either together or separately in different
constituencies, I remain,</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Your truly<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
</font></span></font></font></p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie Perrin<br>
</font></font></p></font></span><div><div class="h5">
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande"><br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande"></font></font><br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="m_2511327429782689691moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-04-22 08:45, Peter Green wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div id="m_2511327429782689691divtagdefaultwrapper" style="font-size:12pt;color:#000000;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif" dir="ltr">
<p>Hi Stephanie,</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Thanks for your reply.</p>
<p>In my last email, I was only asking for your reply to the
point whether there was a CONAC booth in ICANN 55-Marrakech
and you saw me on duty at the booth.</p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt">Let's just focus on this
point.</span><br>
</p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt">In your reply, you are still
mentioning that I worked at the CONAC booth in ICANN
55-Marrakech.</span><br>
</p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt">You did not answer my
question "are you sure there was a CONAC booth in ICANN 55"?</span></p>
<p><span>To be clear, t</span>here
was not a CONAC booth at all in ICANN 55-Marrakech.</p>
<p><span>When you added that "Peter
was on duty at the CONAC booth while attending Marrakech",
you are misleading people who watch this discussion here.</span><br>
</p>
<p><span>Your are incorrect.</span></p>
<p><span>Your adding is causing
folks' further misunderstanding on me.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt">I would like to correct that
and hope you could stop here on this simple point.</span><br>
</p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt">Let's speak based on true
facts, not on wrong assumptions or memories.</span><br>
</p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt"><span><br>
</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt"><span><span>When you did not
have the right information, communication from your part
would become misunderstanding.</span><br>
</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt"><span><span><span>Communication
should be based on right information, regardless of </span><span>whoever</span><span>.</span><br>
</span></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt">In my following emails, I
will </span><span style="font-size:12pt">communicate
directly with our NCUC members who commented on this case.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt"><br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt">Thanks!</span></p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt">Best</span><br>
</p>
<p>Peter</p>
<br>
<br>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%">
<div id="m_2511327429782689691divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>发件人:</b>
Stephanie Perrin <a class="m_2511327429782689691moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank"><stephanie.perrin@mail.<wbr>utoronto.ca></a><br>
<b>发送时间:</b> 2017年4月22日 0:08<br>
<b>收件人:</b> Peter Green<br>
<b>抄送:</b> <a class="m_2511327429782689691moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a><br>
<b>主题:</b> Re: 答复: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Statement from Zuan
Zhang (Peter Green) Complaint to Ombudsman</font>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Hi Peter, <br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I do think
part of the problem here is that perhaps we were not
getting communication from you at the correct time.
Now you seem to be very motivated to communicate,
which is great.
<br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I made the
remark about you working at the CONAC booth because I
met you in the hall in the building where the meetings
where held, and you came up to me and apologized for
missing one of our meetings (either the NCSG one or
the NCUC one, I cannot remember) because you were
working with your colleagues and could not get away.
Then you returned to the CONAC booth. Was I incorrect
in assuming that your day job was interrupting your
volunteer activities at NCUC? If so, please tell me,
I am happy to be corrected.<br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I did not
interrogate you at the time on it, and I am not going
to do it now. The question is a simple one, when you
attend ICANN meetings, are you working for CONAC? Are
you on salary? On what basis are you participating at
ICANN? are you on a leave of absence, is this
considered professional development for your work
etc.? This whole episode in my view reinforces a
point I have been attempting to raise for years at
ICANN: we need more transparency about what our
members are doing at ICANN. Who do they purport to
represent, who are they actually working for? No, this
does not mean that consultants have to release their
client lists, the commercial sector seem to manage
this quite well and we need to do the same.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">As an example,
when I started at ICANN in the EWG, I was still
working for the Canadian government. I took personal
leave for every day that I worked at ICANN meetings.
That soon added up to weeks of leave spent at ICANN
meetings. I had to file a fairly detailed conflict of
interest statement, and I never represented the views
of the government. If you are on salary for an
organization (a company, a government, etc) I think
some kind of explanation as to how you are not
representing that organization in your ICANN
activities is required. However, I understand that my
views are at the extreme end of some of the views held
by our constituents.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande"><br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">In the
meantime, I think it is a great pity that this is
really the first communication I have had from you in
at least a year. We were supposed to be working on
the RDS, and I looked forward to helping you
understand the EWG report more fully. I remain happy
to do that. Let us get on with the work here, folks.<br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande"><br>
</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Kind regards,
Stephanie Perrin<br>
</font></font></p>
<p><br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="m_2511327429782689691moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-04-21 09:34, Peter
Green wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div id="m_2511327429782689691divtagdefaultwrapper" dir="ltr" style="font-size:12pt;color:#000000;font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">
<p>(Dear Folks,</p>
<p>I did see there were several comments coming in
regarding my Statement. </p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt">I would like to respond</span><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt">one by one, piece by piece.)</span></p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt">Dear Stephanie,</span><br>
</p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt"><br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt">Thanks for your
comment. </span><br>
</p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt">I do hope "it seems
pretty clear to [you]</span><span style="font-size:12pt">". </span><br>
</p>
<p>Pertaining to what you have added, you saw me "on
duty at the CONAC booth while attending
Marrakech" (ICANN 55, held in March 2016 <span>in Morocco</span>)?</p>
<p>Is this clear to you?</p>
<p>Are you sure?</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>It was quite possible that I sat down with my
computer at a booth (or at whatever booth) during
intervals of intensive sessions during an ICANN public
meeting. I assume anybody may sit down at a booth
during an ICANN public meeting, if he/she needs to
have a rest.</p>
<p>But I have no idea how you came to that conclusion
just based on your "visual impression"?</p>
<p>Are you sure there was a CONAC booth in ICANN
55-Marrakech?</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt">What I can provide is
let the evidence speak:</span><br>
</p>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt">1. </span><span style="font-size:12pt">Thank You to Sponsors of
ICANN 55 Meeting</span><span style="font-size:12pt"></span></p>
<div>The Board wishes to thank the following sponsors:
Verisign, Inc., Nominet UK, NCC Group, PDR Solutions
FZC, China Internet Network Information Center
(CNNIC), Public Interest Registry, CentralNic, Afilias
plc, Radix FZC, Rightside, dotistanbul, fmai, .MA and
Office National Des Aeroports.</div>
<div><span style="font-size:12pt"> </span><a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2016-03-10-en#1.i" class="m_2511327429782689691OWAAutoLink" id="m_2511327429782689691LPlnk791385" style="font-size:12pt" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/<wbr>resources/board-material/<wbr>resolutions-2016-03-10-en#1.i</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<p><span style="font-size:12pt">2. </span><a href="https://meetings.icann.org/en/sponsorship" class="m_2511327429782689691OWAAutoLink" id="m_2511327429782689691LPlnk749244" style="font-size:12pt" target="_blank">https://meetings.icann.org/<wbr>en/sponsorship</a><br>
</p>
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<a id="m_2511327429782689691LPUrlAnchor_14927812315500.764867615322355" href="https://meetings.icann.org/en/sponsorship" style="text-decoration:none" target="_blank">Sponsorship
Opportunities | ICANN Public Meetings</a></div>
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<a href="http://meetings.icann.org" target="_blank">meetings.icann.org</a></div>
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international conferences of the online
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<p>
<span style="font-size:12pt">FYI, to have a booth in
an ICANN public meeting, organizations have to be
sponsors.</span></p>
<p>
<span style="font-size:12pt"><br>
</span></p>
<p>
<span style="font-size:12pt">So, Stephanie, a</span><span style="font-size:12pt">re you sure there was a CONAC
booth in ICANN 55 and you saw me on duty at the
booth?</span></p>
<p>
<br>
</p>
<p>
To make this fact clear, I woud like to have your
reply on this point.</p>
<p>
Thank you!</p>
<div>
<p>
<br>
</p>
<p>
Best</p>
<p>
Peter</p>
<br>
</div>
<p><br>
</p>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%">
<div id="m_2511327429782689691divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>发件人:</b> Ncuc-discuss
<a class="m_2511327429782689691moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">
<ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.<wbr>ncuc.org></a>
代表 Stephanie Perrin <a class="m_2511327429782689691moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">
<stephanie.perrin@mail.<wbr>utoronto.ca></a><br>
<b>发送时间:</b> 2017年4月19日 0:57<br>
<b>收件人:</b> <a class="m_2511327429782689691moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">
ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a><br>
<b>主题:</b> Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Statement from Zuan
Zhang (Peter Green) Complaint to Ombudsman</font>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">It
seems pretty clear to me. I would add that
Peter was on duty at the CONAC booth while
attending Marakech. This is nothing personal,
it is just important that we keep things clear
and stick to the rules.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Kind
regards, Stephanie Perrin</font></font><br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="m_2511327429782689691moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-04-18 12:08,
Remmy Nweke wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="auto">James thanks for further efforts.
<div dir="auto">Like you said this issue should
come to a close.</div>
<div dir="auto">With the aforesaid evidence
there is nothing more to add.</div>
<div dir="auto">Regards</div>
<div dir="auto">Remmy</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 18 Apr 2017 16:26,
"James Gannon" <<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net" target="_blank">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="white" lang="EN-US">
<div class="m_2511327429782689691m_-4991330741890849142WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">In the
interests of transparency I need to
out myself as one of the initial
complainants, Peter was clearly
operating within ICANN as a
representative of CONAC representing
a registry and not as stated
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">“My
organization CONAC is a member of
RySG and two colleagues of mine are
serving as representatives of CONAC
in RySG. I was not listed as a
representative of CONAC in RySG at
that time. The only fact is I am
staff of CONAC”</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">This can be
verified by visiting
<a href="https://community.icann.org/display/S1SF/Drafting+Team#DraftingTeam-CompositionandAttendance" target="_blank">
https://community.icann.org/di<wbr>splay/S1SF/Drafting+Team#Draft<wbr>ingTeam-CompositionandAttendan<wbr>ce</a>
where one will find,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">“</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">Zuan
Zhang - China Organizational Name
Administration Center (CONAC)”</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">listed
under registries. Additionally this
team was closed to all but
contracted parties and the GAC as
confirmed to me by Fabien from ICANN
staff.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white"> </span></p>
<p class="m_2511327429782689691m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in">On
01/09/2015, 17:07, "Fabien Betremieux"
<<a href="mailto:fabien.betremieux@icann.org" target="_blank">fabien.betremieux@icann.org</a>>
wrote:</p>
<p class="m_2511327429782689691m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="m_2511327429782689691m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in">>Hello
James,</p>
<p class="m_2511327429782689691m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in">> </p>
<p class="m_2511327429782689691m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in">>Members
of the Framework Drafting Team are
either representatives of
</p>
<p class="m_2511327429782689691m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in">>Registry
Operator, Registrars or Governments
(GAC/PSWG). We don¹t have
</p>
<p class="m_2511327429782689691m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in">>a
specific observer status for other
members of the community at this
</p>
<p class="m_2511327429782689691m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in">>point of
our developments (which started only
recently).</p>
<p class="m_2511327429782689691m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in">> </p>
<p class="m_2511327429782689691m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in">>However,
all developments of the Drafting Team
are public. You will
</p>
<p class="m_2511327429782689691m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in">>find all
available information on this
workspace:</p>
<p class="m_2511327429782689691m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in">><a href="https://community.icann.org/display/S1SF/Spec+11+Security+Framework+Hom" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/d<wbr>isplay/S1SF/Spec+11+Security+F<wbr>ramework+Hom</a></p>
<p class="m_2511327429782689691m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in">>e</p>
<p class="m_2511327429782689691m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in">> </p>
<p class="m_2511327429782689691m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in">>Let me
know if you need any additional
information.</p>
<p class="m_2511327429782689691m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in">> </p>
<p class="m_2511327429782689691m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText" style="margin-left:.5in">>Best
Regards</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">So as a
complainant to the former EC on this
matter it is clear that one cannot
represent one stakeholder group on
the EC while actively participating
as part of the RySG on closed ICANN
policy processes. This is the clear
difference vs Rafik for example.
Also I will note Farzi serves as the
formal NCUC liaison to the PIR
advisory council, a position that
comes with NCUC membership so I am
not clear how an NCUC position could
be considered in conflict with the
NCUC?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The former
EC took the correct action here and
has acted in a professional and
integral manner, pointing out
clearly the conflict of interest and
asking Peter to resign which he did.
I hope that everyone can agree that
this situation almost 1 year on
should be left to close now with
Peter confirming that going forward
he will be representing the RySG.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">James</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> [NCUC-DISCUSS]
Statement from Zuan Zhang (Peter
Green) Complaint to Ombudsman</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Please find
below a statement from Zuan Zhang
(Peter Green). Attached is the
initial request for his resignation
and his response. This statement is
in response to the statement posted
by the former NCUC EC on April 10,
2017. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Herb Waye</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">ICANN
Ombudsman</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://www.icann.org/ombudsman" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/ombudsma<wbr>n</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/ICANNOmbudsman" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/ICANN<wbr>Ombudsman</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Twitter:
@IcannOmbudsman</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">ICANN
Expected Standards of Behavior:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/expected-standards-15sep16-en.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/en/syste<wbr>m/files/files/expected-standar<wbr>ds-15sep16-en.pdf</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Community
Anti-Harassment Policy</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/community-anti-harassment-policy-2017-03-24-en" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/resource<wbr>s/pages/community-anti-<wbr>harassment-policy-2017-03-24-<wbr>en</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Confidentiality</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">All matters
brought before the Ombudsman shall
be treated as confidential. The
Ombudsman shall also take all
reasonable steps necessary to
preserve the privacy of, and to
avoid harm to, those parties not
involved in the complaint being
investigated by the Ombudsman.The
Ombudsman shall only make inquiries
about, or advise staff or Board
members of the existence and
identity of, a complainant in order
to further the resolution of the
complaint. The Ombudsman shall take
all reasonable steps necessary to
ensure that if staff and Board
members are made aware of the
existence and identity of a
complainant, they agree to maintain
the confidential nature of such
information, except as necessary to
further the resolution of a
complaint</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Comments
from Zuan Zhang (Peter Green) on
Former EC's Statement</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear
NCUCers,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From
August, 2016 to April, 2017, it’s
been 8 months since I took the case
of the former NCUC EC’s decision to
ask me to resign from office to the
ICANN Ombudsman.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Time to
speak.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I assume it
is better to put all of the things
on the table and would like to have
the whole picture for our NCUC
members to see the core of the case,
the nature of the case.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On 1<sup>st</sup>,
August, 2016, I received a letter
(please see the attached Email 1)
from the former NCUC EC asking me to
resign. In the letter, the EC came
to the conclusions that I was not
eligible to be a NCUC member, I am a
member of the Registries Stakeholder
Group (RySG) and I actively
participated in the work of RySG.
Therefore, the EC decided to remove
me from the office.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I replied
to the former EC acknowledging my
receipt of the letter. Then I was
silent for a few days and went back
to hometown for family affairs. When
I returned to work, there were
discussions going on in the NCUC
mailing list. I found that there
were divergent views on my
eligibility of being a NCUC member
among many of our NCUC veterans,
therefore I decided to take this
case to the ICANN Ombudsman and I
made it very clear that before the
Ombudsman’s decision, I would not
take any action, hence long time
silence (please see the attached
Email 2).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">However, I
could not imagine that the case had
been going on for so long. There
were several rounds of discussions
among me, the Ombudsman and the
former EC until Rafik published the
former EC’s Statement on Monday. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">After
rounds of discussions, the former EC
did not agree with some views of the
Ombudsman. Therefore, the former EC
released this Statement to clarify
their action.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Below are
my comments on the former EC’s
Statement:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">1. Issue of
My Eligibility of Being a NCUC
Member.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I could not
understand how the former EC had
ever come to the conclusion that I
was not eligible to be an NCUC
member. I joined in NCSG/NCUC in
March, 2013 as an individual member
with registered domain names (one of
them was expired, currently holding
an IDN domain name</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:SimSun">钻</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">.</span><span>我</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:SimSun">爱</span><span>你</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">,
xn--h84a.xn--6qq986b3xl)for
non-commercial self-use in
accordance with NCSG Charter and
NCUC Bylaws. I could not see how I
am not eligible to be an individual
member of NCUC. However, the former
EC claimed that I am a member of
RySG. For your information, RySG
only consists of organizational
members—registries. My organization
CONAC is a member of RySG and two
colleagues of mine are serving as
representatives of CONAC in RySG. I
was not listed as a representative
of CONAC in RySG at that time. The
only fact is I am staff of CONAC.
Does the fact that I am staff of
CONAC and CONAC is a member of RySG
mean that I am a member of RySG?
That’s clearly not the case in
accordance with the RySG Charter. If
it is not that case, I could not see
why the former EC came to such a
conclusion according to the NCUC
Bylaws, if not with a preconceived
notion that staff of a registry
could be not individual members of
NCUC, however, the NCUC Bylaws does
not say so.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On the
other hand, in the Statement the
former EC also mentioned that “[the
former EC’s] request for Peter to
resign from the EC was not caused by
any misconduct or poor performance
on his part”, “[the former EC’s]
main concern has always been the
integrity of the NCUC”, “[t]his is
designed to prevent commercial or
contracted parties from attempting
to control or influence [NCUC]
Constituency”. I do agree with
maintaining the integrity of NCUC.
If the former EC’s decision to
remove me was not due to my
misconduct rather due to my
relationship with CONAC and CONAC’s
relationship with RySG, there are
two other facts that deserve
attention. Rafik now works for NTT
Communications, a business company
in Japan and Farzaneh is serving as
a member on the Advisory Council of
.org registry—PIR—a registry.
According to the circumstances of my
case, in order to preserve the
integrity of NCUC and prevent
commercial or contracted parties
from controlling NCUC, does it mean
that the NCUC EC should consider
removing them from office due to
their relationship either with a
business company or with a registry,
both of which are not committed to
non-commercial interests.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">2.
Authority Issue</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">It should
be noted that the CURRENT EFFECTIVE
NCUC Bylaws does not encompass terms
or articles regarding removing an
incumbent EC member, as it was
mentioned in the former EC’s
Statement that “there was no
precedent in NCUC’s history for the
EC to draw upon”. Therefore, the
former EC’s action to remove me from
office was not on basis of the NCUC
Bylaws. There is a gap in the NCUC
Bylaws.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">It is just
owing to my case that NCUC found
there is gap hence necessity to
include removing an incumbent EC
member in the revised NCUC Bylaws,
see email on 14<sup>th</sup>,
October, 2016 at <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.ncuc.org_pipermail_ncuc-2Ddiscuss_2016-2DOctober_019237.html&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=kIm7BGIl3qR3NKOfU-SwstwQr15K9OhllVGUWu0k8uc&m=kfPRSa6Hq7XVjsBTD1dYGMxfK7l5VIP7CJMsnltDDZw&s=9ClgqJhulZz6yY_JHgaWzghAeK0GuQZ9nwJwIfi4OKY&e=" target="_blank">http://lists.ncuc.org/piper<wbr>mail/ncuc-discuss/2016-October<wbr>/019237.html[lists.ncuc.org]</a>,
however, in his comment on the
former EC’s Statement, Professor
Milton Mueller claimed that “[t]he
approval of the new bylaws validates
the actions of the EC by making it
unambiguous that the NCUC has the
right to remove from office people
who are not eligible.” Would you
mind differentiating the
relationship between cause and
effect? Which is first? My case was
before the former EC’s intention to
include terms of removing an
incumbent EC member in the new NCUC
Bylaws. Professor Milton is talking
about the effect of the approval of
the revised Bylaws. It seems
Professor is talking about the other
side of the coin. Unfortunately, two
sides of a coin never meet each
other. I hope any effective
discussion should be on the same
side of the coin.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">3.
Transparency Issue.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The former
EC sent me a letter asking me to
resign and claimed that it was an EC
decision. Were there any EC meetings
or records? I was removed only due
to email exchanges between members
of the former EC, without
documentation. Weren’t there
transparency issues? In this sense,
it seemed that I was removed in a
non-transparent way with
non-legitimate EC authority (at the
time the NCUC bylaws was not
revised, even if the NCUC bylaws was
revised, it is not effective now).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">With my
comments, I aim to have the whole
picture on the table for the NCUC
members. I would not say the case is
moot or not. All of us could
comment.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">More
importantly, I see that my case has
helped eliminate ambiguities and
gaps of the NCUC Bylaws, though it
severely affected my work in
NCSG/NCUC.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Community
integrity is important. Legitimacy
and transparency is also important.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you
all!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best
Regards</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Zuan Zhang
(Peter Green)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">(Note:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">1. I would
like to reiterate that I have no
intention to participate in
NCSG/NCUC because of the effect on
me and I will unsubscribe from the
NCSG/NCUC mailing list on 1<sup>st</sup>,
May 2017. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">2. Due to
the effect of the case on me, after
8 months, in late March, I asked to
join RySG and was listed as an
alternate representative (without
voting rights) of CONAC in RySG to
start my ICANN journey. As I am
still in this case, I have reported
my action to the Ombudsman for
record.)</span></p>
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