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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">It seems pretty clear
to me. I would add that Peter was on duty at the CONAC booth
while attending Marakech. This is nothing personal, it is
just important that we keep things clear and stick to the
rules.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Kind regards,
Stephanie Perrin</font></font><br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-04-18 12:08, Remmy Nweke wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">James thanks for further efforts.
<div dir="auto">Like you said this issue should come to a close.</div>
<div dir="auto">With the aforesaid evidence there is nothing
more to add.</div>
<div dir="auto">Regards</div>
<div dir="auto">Remmy</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 18 Apr 2017 16:26, "James Gannon"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">In
the interests of transparency I need to out myself
as one of the initial complainants, Peter was
clearly operating within ICANN as a representative
of CONAC representing a registry and not as stated
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">“My organization CONAC is a
member of RySG and two colleagues of mine are
serving as representatives of CONAC in RySG. I was
not listed as a representative of CONAC in RySG at
that time. The only fact is I am staff of CONAC”</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">This
can be verified by visiting
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://community.icann.org/display/S1SF/Drafting+Team#DraftingTeam-CompositionandAttendance"
target="_blank">
https://community.icann.org/<wbr>display/S1SF/Drafting+Team#<wbr>DraftingTeam-<wbr>CompositionandAttendance</a>
where one will find,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">“</span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">Zuan
Zhang - China Organizational Name Administration
Center (CONAC)”</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white">listed
under registries. Additionally this team was closed
to all but contracted parties and the GAC as
confirmed to me by Fabien from ICANN staff.</span></p>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#333333;background:white"> </span></p>
<p class="m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:.5in">On 01/09/2015, 17:07, "Fabien
Betremieux" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:fabien.betremieux@icann.org"
target="_blank">fabien.betremieux@icann.org</a>>
wrote:</p>
<p class="m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:.5in"> </p>
<p class="m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:.5in">>Hello James,</p>
<p class="m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:.5in">> </p>
<p class="m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:.5in">>Members of the Framework
Drafting Team are either representatives of
</p>
<p class="m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:.5in">>Registry Operator,
Registrars or Governments (GAC/PSWG). We don¹t have
</p>
<p class="m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:.5in">>a specific observer
status for other members of the community at this
</p>
<p class="m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:.5in">>point of our developments
(which started only recently).</p>
<p class="m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:.5in">> </p>
<p class="m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:.5in">>However, all developments
of the Drafting Team are public. You will
</p>
<p class="m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:.5in">>find all available
information on this workspace:</p>
<p class="m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:.5in">><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://community.icann.org/display/S1SF/Spec+11+Security+Framework+Hom"
target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/<wbr>display/S1SF/Spec+11+Security+<wbr>Framework+Hom</a></p>
<p class="m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:.5in">>e</p>
<p class="m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:.5in">> </p>
<p class="m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:.5in">>Let me know if you need
any additional information.</p>
<p class="m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:.5in">> </p>
<p class="m_-4991330741890849142MsoPlainText"
style="margin-left:.5in">>Best Regards</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">So
as a complainant to the former EC on this matter it
is clear that one cannot represent one stakeholder
group on the EC while actively participating as part
of the RySG on closed ICANN policy processes. This
is the clear difference vs Rafik for example. Also I
will note Farzi serves as the formal NCUC liaison to
the PIR advisory council, a position that comes with
NCUC membership so I am not clear how an NCUC
position could be considered in conflict with the
NCUC?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The
former EC took the correct action here and has acted
in a professional and integral manner, pointing out
clearly the conflict of interest and asking Peter to
resign which he did. I hope that everyone can agree
that this situation almost 1 year on should be left
to close now with Peter confirming that going
forward he will be representing the RySG.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">James</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt"> Ncuc-discuss [mailto:<a
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href="mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org"
target="_blank">ncuc-discuss-bounces@<wbr>lists.ncuc.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Herb Waye<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 12, 2017 11:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org"
target="_blank">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> ombudsman <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ombudsman@icann.org"
target="_blank">ombudsman@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [NCUC-DISCUSS] Statement from
Zuan Zhang (Peter Green) Complaint to Ombudsman</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Please
find below a statement from Zuan Zhang (Peter
Green). Attached is the initial request for his
resignation and his response. This statement is in
response to the statement posted by the former NCUC
EC on April 10, 2017. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Herb
Waye</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">ICANN
Ombudsman</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.icann.org/ombudsman"
target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/<wbr>ombudsman</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.facebook.com/ICANNOmbudsman"
target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/<wbr>ICANNOmbudsman</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Twitter:
@IcannOmbudsman</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">ICANN
Expected Standards of Behavior:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/expected-standards-15sep16-en.pdf"
target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/en/<wbr>system/files/files/expected-<wbr>standards-15sep16-en.pdf</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Community
Anti-Harassment Policy</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/community-anti-harassment-policy-2017-03-24-en"
target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/<wbr>resources/pages/community-<wbr>anti-harassment-policy-2017-<wbr>03-24-en</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Confidentiality</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">All
matters brought before the Ombudsman shall be
treated as confidential. The Ombudsman shall also
take all reasonable steps necessary to preserve the
privacy of, and to avoid harm to, those parties not
involved in the complaint being investigated by the
Ombudsman.The Ombudsman shall only make inquiries
about, or advise staff or Board members of the
existence and identity of, a complainant in order to
further the resolution of the complaint. The
Ombudsman shall take all reasonable steps necessary
to ensure that if staff and Board members are made
aware of the existence and identity of a
complainant, they agree to maintain the confidential
nature of such information, except as necessary to
further the resolution of a complaint</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Comments
from Zuan Zhang (Peter Green) on Former EC's
Statement</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear
NCUCers,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From
August, 2016 to April, 2017, it’s been 8 months
since I took the case of the former NCUC EC’s
decision to ask me to resign from office to the
ICANN Ombudsman.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Time
to speak.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I
assume it is better to put all of the things on the
table and would like to have the whole picture for
our NCUC members to see the core of the case, the
nature of the case.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On 1<sup>st</sup>,
August, 2016, I received a letter (please see the
attached Email 1) from the former NCUC EC asking me
to resign. In the letter, the EC came to the
conclusions that I was not eligible to be a NCUC
member, I am a member of the Registries Stakeholder
Group (RySG) and I actively participated in the work
of RySG. Therefore, the EC decided to remove me from
the office.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I
replied to the former EC acknowledging my receipt of
the letter. Then I was silent for a few days and
went back to hometown for family affairs. When I
returned to work, there were discussions going on in
the NCUC mailing list. I found that there were
divergent views on my eligibility of being a NCUC
member among many of our NCUC veterans, therefore I
decided to take this case to the ICANN Ombudsman and
I made it very clear that before the Ombudsman’s
decision, I would not take any action, hence long
time silence (please see the attached Email 2).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">However,
I could not imagine that the case had been going on
for so long. There were several rounds of
discussions among me, the Ombudsman and the former
EC until Rafik published the former EC’s Statement
on Monday. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">After
rounds of discussions, the former EC did not agree
with some views of the Ombudsman. Therefore, the
former EC released this Statement to clarify their
action.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Below
are my comments on the former EC’s Statement:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">1.
Issue of My Eligibility of Being a NCUC Member.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I
could not understand how the former EC had ever come
to the conclusion that I was not eligible to be an
NCUC member. I joined in NCSG/NCUC in March, 2013 as
an individual member with registered domain names
(one of them was expired, currently holding an IDN
domain name</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:SimSun">钻</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt">.</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"MS
Gothic"">我</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:SimSun">爱</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"MS
Gothic"">你</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">,
xn--h84a.xn--6qq986b3xl)for non-commercial self-use
in accordance with NCSG Charter and NCUC Bylaws.
I could not see how I am not eligible to be an
individual member of NCUC. However, the former EC
claimed that I am a member of RySG. For your
information, RySG only consists of organizational
members—registries. My organization CONAC is a
member of RySG and two colleagues of mine are
serving as representatives of CONAC in RySG. I was
not listed as a representative of CONAC in RySG at
that time. The only fact is I am staff of CONAC.
Does the fact that I am staff of CONAC and CONAC is
a member of RySG mean that I am a member of RySG?
That’s clearly not the case in accordance with the
RySG Charter. If it is not that case, I could not
see why the former EC came to such a conclusion
according to the NCUC Bylaws, if not with a
preconceived notion that staff of a registry could
be not individual members of NCUC, however, the NCUC
Bylaws does not say so.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On
the other hand, in the Statement the former EC also
mentioned that “[the former EC’s] request for Peter
to resign from the EC was not caused by any
misconduct or poor performance on his part”, “[the
former EC’s] main concern has always been the
integrity of the NCUC”, “[t]his is designed to
prevent commercial or contracted parties from
attempting to control or influence [NCUC]
Constituency”. I do agree with maintaining the
integrity of NCUC. If the former EC’s decision to
remove me was not due to my misconduct rather due to
my relationship with CONAC and CONAC’s relationship
with RySG, there are two other facts that deserve
attention. Rafik now works for NTT Communications, a
business company in Japan and Farzaneh is serving as
a member on the Advisory Council of .org
registry—PIR—a registry. According to the
circumstances of my case, in order to preserve the
integrity of NCUC and prevent commercial or
contracted parties from controlling NCUC, does it
mean that the NCUC EC should consider removing them
from office due to their relationship either with a
business company or with a registry, both of which
are not committed to non-commercial interests.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">2.
Authority Issue</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">It
should be noted that the CURRENT EFFECTIVE NCUC
Bylaws does not encompass terms or articles
regarding removing an incumbent EC member, as it was
mentioned in the former EC’s Statement that “there
was no precedent in NCUC’s history for the EC to
draw upon”. Therefore, the former EC’s action to
remove me from office was not on basis of the NCUC
Bylaws. There is a gap in the NCUC Bylaws.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">It
is just owing to my case that NCUC found there is
gap hence necessity to include removing an incumbent
EC member in the revised NCUC Bylaws, see email on
14<sup>th</sup>, October, 2016 at <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__lists.ncuc.org_pipermail_ncuc-2Ddiscuss_2016-2DOctober_019237.html&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=kIm7BGIl3qR3NKOfU-SwstwQr15K9OhllVGUWu0k8uc&m=kfPRSa6Hq7XVjsBTD1dYGMxfK7l5VIP7CJMsnltDDZw&s=9ClgqJhulZz6yY_JHgaWzghAeK0GuQZ9nwJwIfi4OKY&e="
target="_blank">http://lists.ncuc.org/<wbr>pipermail/ncuc-discuss/2016-<wbr>October/019237.html[lists.<wbr>ncuc.org]</a>,
however, in his comment on the former EC’s
Statement, Professor Milton Mueller claimed that
“[t]he approval of the new bylaws validates the
actions of the EC by making it unambiguous that the
NCUC has the right to remove from office people who
are not eligible.” Would you mind differentiating
the relationship between cause and effect? Which is
first? My case was before the former EC’s intention
to include terms of removing an incumbent EC member
in the new NCUC Bylaws. Professor Milton is talking
about the effect of the approval of the revised
Bylaws. It seems Professor is talking about the
other side of the coin. Unfortunately, two sides of
a coin never meet each other. I hope any effective
discussion should be on the same side of the coin.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">3.
Transparency Issue.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The
former EC sent me a letter asking me to resign and
claimed that it was an EC decision. Were there any
EC meetings or records? I was removed only due to
email exchanges between members of the former EC,
without documentation. Weren’t there transparency
issues? In this sense, it seemed that I was removed
in a non-transparent way with non-legitimate EC
authority (at the time the NCUC bylaws was not
revised, even if the NCUC bylaws was revised, it is
not effective now).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">With
my comments, I aim to have the whole picture on the
table for the NCUC members. I would not say the case
is moot or not. All of us could comment.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">More
importantly, I see that my case has helped eliminate
ambiguities and gaps of the NCUC Bylaws, though it
severely affected my work in NCSG/NCUC.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Community
integrity is important. Legitimacy and transparency
is also important.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank
you all!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best
Regards</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Zuan
Zhang (Peter Green)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">(Note:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">1. I
would like to reiterate that I have no intention to
participate in NCSG/NCUC because of the effect on me
and I will unsubscribe from the NCSG/NCUC mailing
list on 1<sup>st</sup>, May 2017. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">2.
Due to the effect of the case on me, after 8 months,
in late March, I asked to join RySG and was listed
as an alternate representative (without voting
rights) of CONAC in RySG to start my ICANN journey.
As I am still in this case, I have reported my
action to the Ombudsman for record.)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
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