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    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I think you have hit
          the nail on the head here Ayden.  I am extremely wary of
          accepting policy advice from contractors we have not selected
          ourselves.  However, your last line in my view sums up the
          double jeopardy we are in here, we cannot keep up with the
          training required to keep people all functioning at a high
          level, able to draft excellent comments, plus do all our own
          research, plus our process management.....we are indeed being
          stretched thin and I don't see things getting better anytime
          soon.  A good topic for discussion.</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie Perrin</font></font><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2016-12-23 05:32, Ayden Férdeline
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      <div>Thanks for sharing your views here, Arsène and Nadira. I am
        really glad we are having this discussion again, and hope that
        the EC will involve us in its discussions in the New Year over
        what level of involvement or organisational support we would
        like to receive. I just wanted to clarify, however, that this
        programme is separate to the pilot community onboarding
        programme, as I think the two are being conflated. The pilot
        community onboarding programme is working to provide new
        volunteer talent with a faster entrance into the ICANN
        community, and is being developed internally. This programme,
        administered externally by WBC Global, is intended to support
        our involvement in ICANN’s various policy development processes.
        What works for other constituencies and stakeholder groups may
        not work for us, but my understanding is that others are using
        this support now to aid in their policy work. Of course it would
        be unwise to think of this offer of assistance from ICANN as
        help without strings attached — we should think carefully about
        what support we are happy to accept, and how we can ensure we do
        not become inappropriately dependent upon it. But we do need
        additional support, and if we continue to decline the assistance
        of paid external consultants while others, already with more
        resources then us accept it, we may only exacerbate our
        disadvantages.<br>
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        <div>Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] WBC Global policy support pilot
          - is NCUC participating in it?<br>
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        <div>Local Time: 23 December 2016 9:31 AM<br>
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        <div>UTC Time: 23 December 2016 09:31<br>
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        <div>From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a><br>
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        <div>To: Nadira Alaraj <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nadira.araj@gmail.com"><nadira.araj@gmail.com></a><br>
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                <div>Thanks Ayden for good memories.<br>
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              <div>I think Farzi has set a good timeline in her last
                message. Let's see what will be the outcomes of step 1,
                2 as described and then decide whether worth
                implementing.<br>
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            <div>Nadira raises a good point. We may need to also dig
              what other constituencies have been able to do with such a
              pilot program and maybe build from their experience.<br>
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          <div>After all, any program that aims to help members be well
            equiped in policy disussion or research should be welcomed
            (of course after being checked). This should be the starting
            point to ensure new members are able to engage in ICANN
            work.<br>
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                                                          <div>*<b>Arsène
                                                          Tungali</b>*<br>
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            <div>2016-12-23 0:06 GMT+02:00 Nadira Alaraj <span
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                <div>Hi Ayden,<br>
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                <div dir="auto">Thanks to Farzaneh for considering the
                  pilot program.<br>
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                <div dir="auto">To my understanding that constituencies
                  didn't use their pilot program for policy research but
                  to document an introduction for new commers in how to
                  get engaged in the community.<br>
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                <div dir="auto">Until now didn't read any  report about
                  the outcome of its first round.<br>
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                <div dir="auto">Worth checking,<br>
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                <div dir="auto">Nadira <br>
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                          <div>On 22 Dec 2016 14:41, "farzaneh badii"
                            <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>>
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                              <div>Ayden<br>
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                              <div dir="auto">Thanks for bringing this
                                up. <br>
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                              <div dir="auto">Next year in January, we
                                will do the following 1. Assessing
                                whether  we can participate in the pilot
                                if renewed. 2. Coming up with our own
                                ideas for receinving policy receving
                                assistance. <br>
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                              <div dir="auto">3. Implementation ( this
                                might happen in Feb or March) <br>
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                                  <div>On 22 Dec 2016 7:29 a.m., "Ayden
                                    Férdeline" <<a
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                                      <div>Hi Farzi,<br>
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                                      <div>Thanks for this update and
                                        for sharing your perspective on
                                        this issue.<br>
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                                      <div>I am glad
                                        to hear that the EC will
                                        re-evaluate whether or not we
                                        choose to participate in
                                        this pilot programme. At my
                                        second ICANN meeting in
                                        Marrakech, I remember listening
                                        to Kathy Kleiman brilliantly
                                        communicate to the Board that we
                                        needed to build our capacity to
                                        absorb an increased, growing,
                                        and specialised workload. When
                                        this pilot
                                        programme was announced, it felt
                                        to me like our calls had been
                                        heard and resources
                                        were being offered to boost our
                                        participation in ICANN
                                        activities. Now it seems
                                        like other, already-better
                                        resourced constituencies and
                                        stakeholder groups are
                                        benefiting from this
                                        programme while we turned it
                                        down… do forgive me if I am
                                        oversimplifying things… I just
                                        think a better path forward
                                        would be if participated in the
                                        pilot
                                        programme and set our own
                                        parametres around
                                        what support we would
                                        accept and what support we would
                                        find unsuitable. <br>
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                                      <div>Best wishes,<br>
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                                      <div>Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS]
                                        WBC Global policy support pilot
                                        - is NCUC participating in it?<br>
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                                      <div>Local Time: 22 December 2016
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                                      <div>UTC Time: 22 December 2016
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                                      <div>From: <a
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                                      <div>To: matthew shears <<a
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                                        <div>We didn't continue
                                          discussing it and in the end
                                          did not sign up for it for
                                          this time. I am now looking
                                          into if there will be another
                                          opportunity to sign up for it
                                          in the future. <br>
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                                        <div dir="auto">The EC has to
                                          decide on this, one way or
                                          another we are going to come
                                          up with  ways to support
                                          policy research in the new
                                          year. (Even through other
                                          means but that's for next
                                          year) <br>
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                                        <div dir="auto">Just that you
                                          know my opinion about using
                                          such services: I do not see
                                          any problem as long as it is
                                          supervised and the researchers
                                          do not put in their own
                                          opinion in docs. But that's my
                                          personal opinion and need to
                                          discuss with EC. <br>
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                                              "matthew shears" <<a
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                                                <p>Didn't we reject this
                                                  option when it was
                                                  presented to us? 
                                                  Unfortunately<br>
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                                                    James Gannon wrote:<br>
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                                                          great point, I
                                                          had forgotten.
                                                          Whats the
                                                          status on
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                                                          <div><b>Date:
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                                                          WBC Global
                                                          policy support
                                                          pilot - is
                                                          NCUC
                                                          participating
                                                          in it?<br>
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                                                          <div>Whatever
                                                          happened to
                                                          that ICANN
                                                          pilot
                                                          programme
                                                          which was to
                                                          offer selected
                                                          constituencies
                                                          and
                                                          stakeholder
                                                          groups
                                                          assistance
                                                          with policy
                                                          research and
                                                          document
                                                          drafting? I
                                                          remember being
                                                          told in
                                                          Helsinki its
                                                          launch was
                                                          imminent, and
                                                          had an
                                                          excellent
                                                          discussion
                                                          with a
                                                          consultant
                                                          from WBC
                                                          Global about
                                                          it. Are there
                                                          any updates?<br>
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                                                          Férdeline<br>
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