<div dir="ltr">Thank you Milton for such constructive thoughts I mostly agree with, in particular:<div><br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Maybe the people who like this idea think that they are going to get some of this money. But even if they did, do we really want civil society groups competing against each other for ICANN money to do the policy work that they are supposed to be doing on behalf of civil society itself? What groups do you think would be selected, and which ones rejected, in this competition?</span></p></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">THINK ABOUT IT.</span></p></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12pt;font-family:"times new roman",serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Outsourcing our policy development capacity to ICANN is the beginning of the end of civil society’s representation in ICANN.</span></p></div></blockquote></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>It reminds me of the same discussion in the GAC a few years ago, when its first "independent" secretariat, financed by a handful of countries didn't meet the expected Service Level for preparing ADVICE. </div><div><br></div><div>But the fact is that if you benchmark not against ICANN, but against the firing power of the CPH full time and in house lawyers, you have not answered the question of how a handful of volunteers can keep up with serious DNS POLICY development work ahead.</div><div><br></div><div>Happy holidays to all</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez<br>ISOC Costa Rica Chapter<br>skype carlos.raulg<br>+506 8837 7176 <br>________<br>Apartado 1571-1000<br>COSTA RICA</div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 at 11:39 PM, Mueller, Milton L <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" target="_blank">milton@gatech.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I am deeply distressed that so many people within NCUC can be enticed into an absurd bargain in which we outsource – to an ICANN selected firm! – our ability
to develop policy positions and public comments. As a founder of NCUC I have fought from the beginning for its ability to develop its OWN capacity to articulate and represent noncommercial interests in the ICANN process. Now we are being told that it is a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Would the people who think this is a good deal kindly take a look at the entity that is being put forward to do our policy development work for us? Here is the
principal of WBC Global: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/dan-o-neill-44778730" target="_blank">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Here is what his LinkedIN page says his company does for a living:
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policy, political and strategic business advice to Fortune 500 and other companies, with a focus on international trade, market access and intellectual property rights. Represent companies before Congress, the White House and federal agencies on a diverse
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_-197483069960497440__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">So a corporate multinational consulting firm is going to do a great job of drafting our policy documents. Right.<u></u><u></u></span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Still not convinced? Let’s put this a different way. The Internet Governance Project (<a href="http://internetgovernance.org" target="_blank">http://internetgovernance.org</a><wbr>) at Georgia Tech has some of the world’s leading
Internet governance experts working there, strong ties to NCUC, and access to a wealth of engineering and policy talent at the Institute for Information Security and Policy (IISP). IGP already spends a lot of time working on ICANN stuff – comments, position
papers, etc. We’d be happy to get paid for this work; indeed, sometimes we succeed in getting other people (not ICANN) to give us grants to do it. A guaranteed revenue stream from ICANN would certainly make that easier.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Do you think ICANN would ever consider paying IGP to do the work that they are paying WBC Global to do? Somehow I doubt it. And I doubt it precisely because IGP
known NCUC and does a really good job of critically assessing ICANN and its policies from that perspective. We would never get funded, in other words, precisely because we ARE so close to NCUC and so independent of ICANN corporate. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">If you think I am engaged in special pleading, ask yourself this: do you think they would make grants to Article 19 to pay them to help us write policies and
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Maybe the people who like this idea think that they are going to get some of this money. But even if they did, do we really want civil society groups competing
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Outsourcing our policy development capacity to ICANN is the beginning of the end of civil society’s representation in ICANN.<u></u><u></u></span></p><span class="">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for sharing your views here, Arsène and Nadira. I am really glad we are having this discussion again, and hope that the EC will involve us in its discussions in the New Year over what level of involvement or organisational support
we would like to receive. I just wanted to clarify, however, that this programme is separate to the pilot community onboarding programme, as I think the two are being conflated. The pilot community onboarding programme is working to provide new volunteer talent
with a faster entrance into the ICANN community, and is being developed internally. This programme, administered externally by WBC Global, is intended to support our involvement in ICANN’s various policy development processes. What works for other constituencies
and stakeholder groups may not work for us, but my understanding is that others are using this support now to aid in their policy work. Of course it would be unwise to think of this offer of assistance from ICANN as help without strings attached — we should
think carefully about what support we are happy to accept, and how we can ensure we do not become inappropriately dependent upon it. But we do need additional support, and if we continue to decline the assistance of paid external consultants while others,
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<p class="MsoNormal">After all, any program that aims to help members be well equiped in policy disussion or research should be welcomed (of course after being checked). This should be the starting point to ensure new members are able to engage in ICANN work.<u></u><u></u></p>
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needed to build our capacity to absorb an increased, growing, and specialised workload. When this pilot programme was announced, it felt to me like our calls had been heard and resources were being offered to boost our participation in ICANN activities. Now
it seems like other, already-better resourced constituencies and stakeholder groups are benefiting from this programme while we turned it down… do forgive me if I am oversimplifying things… I just think a better path forward would be if participated in the
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<p class="MsoNormal">Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] WBC Global policy support pilot - is NCUC participating in it?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Local Time: 22 December 2016 12:11 PM<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From: <a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">To: matthew shears <<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org" target="_blank">mshears@cdt.org</a>><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We didn't continue discussing it and in the end did not sign up for it for this time. I am now looking into if there will be another opportunity to sign up for it in the future. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The EC has to decide on this, one way or another we are going to come up with ways to support policy research in the new year. (Even through other means but that's for next year) <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Just that you know my opinion about using such services: I do not see any problem as long as it is supervised and the researchers do not put in their own opinion in docs. But that's my personal opinion and need to discuss with EC. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 22 Dec 2016 06:20, "matthew shears" <<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org" target="_blank">mshears@cdt.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p>Didn't we reject this option when it was presented to us? Unfortunately<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 22/12/2016 11:19, James Gannon wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Ncuc-discuss <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.<wbr>ncuc.org</a>> on behalf of Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Date:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Subject:
</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">[NCUC-DISCUSS] WBC Global policy support pilot - is NCUC participating in it?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Whatever happened to that ICANN pilot programme which was to offer selected constituencies and stakeholder groups assistance with policy research and document drafting?
I remember being told in Helsinki its launch was imminent, and had an excellent discussion with a consultant from WBC Global about it. Are there any updates?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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