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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I disagree, we have no legal autonomy, the only argument would be that we exist as an unincorporated association which can be argued either direction.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Our bank account is held by Milton as an individual if I’m not mistaken and is not registered to any legal entity (as you note one does not exist) we hold no rights under US
law with regards to being a legal entity such as status with the IRS or similar. The status of hosting for our webservers is non-related to our legal status. We may act independently but we do not have any legal status outside of our role as a constituency
of ICANN.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Essentially NCUCs ‘assets’ are held is trust by Milton, one of the many reasons that we should have filed for incorporation. But please if there is a filing of NCUC as a legal
entity anywhere please point to the documentation, but until that is done (Even as an unincorp) its not correct to say we have legal status until we as the potential members assert it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Edward Morris [mailto:egmorris1@toast.net]
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<b>Cc:</b> Ncuc-discuss <ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] NCUC Logo - Ideas and designers out there?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><em><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">Just a point of note, we are not autonomous at all. </span></em><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><em><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">We exist only as a construct of the ICANN bylaws so therefore are under the control of such guidance.</span></em><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><em><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">-James</span></em><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">I completely disagree.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">First, outside of a mention of our right to appoint a member of NomCom, the ICANN Bylaws do not mention the Non-Commercial Users Constituency. Please look at section
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-family:"ArialMT",serif">(iii) Commercial Stakeholder Group representing the full range of large and small commercial entities of the Internet (“</span><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Commercial
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Property Constituency (“</span><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Intellectual Property Constituency</span></b><span style="font-family:"ArialMT",serif">”) and the Internet Service Providers and Connectivity Providers Constituency (“</span><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Internet
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">During the writing of the Bylaws we made sure that the NCUC was not mentioned by name in the Bylaws. That was by design. Traditionally, the NCUC has guarded it's
independence. Note that we do not use ICANN's servers for our web pages, we fund our own provider. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">1. The NCUC has it's own bank account, one not controlled or accessible in any way by ICANN,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">2. The NCUC has it's own United States taxpayer identification number, one the has nothing to do with ICANN.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">I can assure you that should someone wish to sue the NCUC for some action our group took ICANN would quickly disavow any legal obligation or paternity for and of
us. We're arguably already an unincorporated association under California law. I, and several others, have encouraged the NCUC EC to file the necessary paperwork with the California Secretary of State's office to remove any doubt as to our status. I hope some
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">That, of course, does not mean that ICANN could not eliminate the NCUC's role in the corporation. Of course, they could and some day might. That doesn't mean they
would then be able to absorb our bank account or any other assets the NCUC may have. The NCUC has a legal existence separate from that of ICANN.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Ncuc-discuss <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org">ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org</a>> on behalf of Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Ayden Férdeline <<a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday 22 December 2016 at 10:46<br>
<b>To: </b>Aarti Bhavana <<a href="mailto:aarti.bhavana@nludelhi.ac.in">aarti.bhavana@nludelhi.ac.in</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Ncuc-discuss <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] NCUC Logo - Ideas and designers out there?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">Those visual identity guidelines apply to ICANN as an organisation… they don’t and shouldn’t apply to us as an autonomous constituency.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">Just a thought, if we do not have a designer amongst us, can we put in a budget request for next financial year to hire an agency to brand us?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif"><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline" title="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline">linkedin.com/in/ferdeline</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] NCUC Logo - Ideas and designers out there?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">Local Time: 22 December 2016 10:37 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">UTC Time: 22 December 2016 10:37<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">From:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">To: Mamadou LO <<a href="mailto:alfamamadou@hotmail.com">alfamamadou@hotmail.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">Thanks for sharing! This is useful for maintaining consistency in design organisation-wide (should we want that). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="colour"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">De :</span></b></span><span class="colour"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> Ncuc-discuss <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org">ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org</a>>
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<span class="colour"><b>Envoyé :</b> jeudi 22 décembre 2016 09:07</span><br>
<span class="colour"><b>À :</b> Florian Daniel; Nadira Alaraj</span><br>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span class="size"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I think that Farzi has enough data to bring to ICANN communications dept and their designers now,.</span></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span class="size"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b></span><span class="size"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">
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<span class="size"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 22, 2016 9:03 AM</span><br>
<span class="size"><b>To:</b> Nadira Alaraj <<a href="mailto:nadira.araj@gmail.com">nadira.araj@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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<span class="size"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] NCUC Logo - Ideas and designers out there?</span></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span class="size"><span style="color:black">Hi everybody,</span></span><span style="color:black"><br>
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<span class="size">as there are no new suggestions coming in I wanted to ask if anybody nows a designer how could have a look at it. It would be best to find somebody how would do it for free ofc. Maybe somebody within the community?</span><br>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span class="size"><span style="color:black">On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 7:18 AM, Nadira Alaraj <<a href="mailto:nadira.araj@gmail.com">nadira.araj@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span class="size"><span style="color:black">A lengthy discussions on the Logo design.</span></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span class="size"><span style="color:black">Recently I worked with a professional Graphic designer for some personal mater.</span></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span class="size"><span style="color:black">I've been told that the modern trend in logo design is to use the calligraphy style. As they described is to avoid the use of any symbols and focus on their logo design
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span class="size"><span style="color:black">Maybe doing something for free would generate a great thing but we have to have another look at these isses in term of the time consuming discussing/ reading non-policy
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span class="size"><span style="color:black">Just a fruit of thought.</span></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span class="size"><span style="color:black">On 15 Dec 2016 19:46, "Florian Daniel" <<a href="mailto:floriandaniel1995@gmail.com">floriandaniel1995@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span class="size">so I just created a Google Docs which you can find here: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UUkTfvfBEH3vbQU-xeQP6CUHD0GUxfS6eCQYRty-NNA/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UUkTfvfBEH3vbQU-xeQP6CUHD0GUxfS6eCQYRty-NNA/edit?usp=sharing</a> </span><br>
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<span class="size">Hopefully everybody can work with that document. If there are any issues please tell me as this is my first time creating a google doc for the list.</span><br>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span class="size"><span style="color:black">To Stefanias idea: I like it, however I think we will be having troubles using an Ant as our logo. I would definitely try to go with something more abstract. </span></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span class="size"><span style="color:black">Am 15.12.2016 1:58 nachm. schrieb "Milan, Stefania" <<a href="mailto:Stefania.Milan@eui.eu">Stefania.Milan@eui.eu</a>>:</span></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span class="size"><span style="color:black">I love the ant! Laborious, smart, small yet powerful...</span></span><span style="color:black"><br>
<span class="size">it reminded me of this design collective doing political stuff:
<a href="http://beehivecollective.org">http://beehivecollective.org</a></span><br>
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</span><span class="size"><span style="color:black">why not an ant?</span></span><span style="color:black"><br>
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<span class="size">Some very nice suggestions out there. :)Animal Planet J1. Elephant - they are smart and they never forget and the symbol ofthe Republican Party in the USA ...</span><br>
<span class="size">2. Giraffe - in danger ofbecoming extinct ...</span><br>
<span class="size">3. Zebra - less endangered and morefeisty in its habits... 4. Okapi - rare, even if it is quiet but it is respected ..</span><br>
<span class="size">How about adding donkey to the list which is strong-willed, hardworking anda symbol of Democrats Party in the USA ..? :)</span><br>
<span class="size">Best,</span><br>
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<span class="size"> From: Arsène Tungali <<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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<span class="size"> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] NCUC Logo - Ideas and designers out there?</span><br>
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<span class="size">Hi all,</span><br>
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<span class="size">Was laughing when reading some comments here about the ideas of a logo we want for NCUC. This is a great idea, Farzi.</span><br>
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<span class="size">Please do remember a message from Mamadou and I would hope his interrogations were cleared because no one referred to them anymore. Here is what he said:</span><br>
<span class="size">"But still searching and want to know more on ICANN policies and views on SO/AC visual identities (logo). Trying to benchmark and see constituencies which have already logos.."Great ideas so far. Just wanted to add if we can have the official
ICANN logo to be seen in it so as to not lose some of the people who might miss the connexion betwen NCUC and ICANN. Maybe the ICANN globe and then on the bottom down instead of ICANN, we put NCUC? Too keep it simple and straight forward?</span><br>
<span class="size">For an animal, I would suggest Okapi (not only because it is originated from my country, the DRC) but it can be seen as original because I haven't seen it used anywhere else. I may be wrong. Compared to giraffe, zebra, etc which are commonly
known. Okapi is rare, even if it is quiet but it is respected.My two cents..</span><br>
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<span class="size">2016-12-15 9:26 GMT+02:00 hvale - owp <<a href="mailto:valentina@oneworldplatform.net">valentina@oneworldplatform.net</a>>:</span><br>
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<span class="size">Hi,</span><br>
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<span class="size">I would go for something that connect, augment and empower and enfasizes</span><br>
<span class="size">diversity, trough shapes, graphics, colors</span><br>
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<span class="size">hvlae</span><br>
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<span class="size">On 12/14/2016 03:19 PM, Niels ten Oever wrote:</span><br>
<span class="size">> Grass-roots, freedom of expression, Internet, collaborative (chain?),</span><br>
<span class="size">> interconnected, conversation.</span><br>
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<span class="size">> PS Tulip crash was the first economic crisis, to add a bit more context</span><br>
<span class="size">> to that term ;)</span><br>
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<span class="size">> On 12/14/2016 03:12 PM, farzaneh badii wrote:</span><br>
<span class="size">>> I think coming up with key words representative of NCUC work is a great</span><br>
<span class="size">>> idea. You can also send keywords.</span><br>
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<span class="size">>> On 14 December 2016 at 08:57, Corinne Cath <<a href="mailto:corinnecath@gmail.com">corinnecath@gmail.com</a></span><br>
<span class="size">>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:corinnecath@gmail.com">corinnecath@gmail.com</a>> > wrote:</span><br>
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<span class="size">>> I figured as much - perhaps we can do it the other way around and</span><br>
<span class="size">>> think of some key words we believe the NCUC represents & ask a</span><br>
<span class="size">>> designer to make some sketches? Best,</span><br>
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<span class="size">>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 2:47 PM, farzaneh badii</span><br>
<span class="size">>> <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail">farzaneh.badii@gmail</a>. com>> wrote:</span><br>
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<span class="size">>> Thanks Corinne,</span><br>
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<span class="size">>> Tulip was just a try-to-be humorous suggestion to get you going.</span><br>
<span class="size">>> I am not insisting. So would be good if the members just come</span><br>
<span class="size">>> up with implementable ideas.</span><br>
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<span class="size">>> On 14 December 2016 at 08:46, Corinne Cath</span><br>
<span class="size">>> <<a href="mailto:corinnecath@gmail.com">corinnecath@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:corinnecath@gmail.com">corinnecath@gmail.com</a>> > wrote:</span><br>
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<span class="size">>> Hi Farzi,</span><br>
<span class="size">>></span><br>
<span class="size">>> Thanks for suggesting this. I agree that a logo would be</span><br>
<span class="size">>> good, but perhaps move away from the Tullip as it is also a</span><br>
<span class="size">>> national symbol for the Dutch (eventhough we stole it from</span><br>
<span class="size">>> the Turkish) and towards something that represents</span><br>
<span class="size">>> wired-digital-civil-society, keeping Bill's fighting spirit</span><br>
<span class="size">>> but perhaps moving away from pirates?</span><br>
<span class="size">>></span><br>
<span class="size">>> best,</span><br>
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<span class="size">>> On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 2:05 PM, James Gannon</span><br>
<span class="size">>> <<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net">james@cyberinvasion.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion">james@cyberinvasion</a>. net>></span><br>
<span class="size">>> wrote:</span><br>
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<span class="size">>> Im all for this =)</span><br>
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<span class="size">>> On 14/12/2016, 12:52, "Ncuc-discuss on behalf of William</span><br>
<span class="size">>> Drake" <ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists. <a href="http://ncuc.org">
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<span class="size">>> wrote:</span><br>
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<span class="size">>> ><a href="http://www.clipartkid.com/">http://www.clipartkid.com/</a> images/120/notre-dame- fighting-irish-logos- logotipos-gratuitos- clipartlogo-com-YGbhWf- clipart.png</span><br>
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