<html><head></head><body lang="es-ES" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); line-height: initial;"> <div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Also some people thinks terrorist come from outside USA and others that come from inside.. </div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Carlos Vera</div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div> <div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br style="display:initial"></div> <div style="font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Enviado desde mi smartphone BlackBerry 10.</div> <table width="100%" style="background-color:white;border-spacing:0px;"> <tbody><tr><td colspan="2" style="font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> <div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; font-family: Tahoma, 'BB Alpha Sans', 'Slate Pro'; font-size: 10pt;"> <div><b>De: </b>Ayden Férdeline</div><div><b>Enviado: </b>viernes, 2 de diciembre de 2016 14:45</div><div><b>Para: </b>Carlos Vera</div><div><b>Responder a: </b>Ayden Férdeline</div><div><b>CC: </b>Aaron Eitan Meyer; Remmy Nweke; ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</div><div><b>Asunto: </b>Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Trump speaking about the internet</div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(186, 188, 209); border-top-width: 1pt; font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"></div><br><div id="_originalContent" style=""><ol><li>This quote is over a year old, and it is not
clear whether these sentiments still represent the views of President-Elect Trump.<br></li><li>If you read the full transcript of his remarks,
it is clear that President-Elect Trump was not speaking about closing up the
entire Internet, or even of implementing a firewall like China has in place. He was speaking about the need to prevent terrorist organisations from using social
media to recruit new members, which has demonstrably happened.<br></li><li>That may or may not be a slippery slope (in my
view it is), but it is not an outlandish view. It was the view of every single
candidate in the US election this year (bar perhaps Rand Paul), including <a href="http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/12/07/us/politics/hillary-clinton-islamic-state-saban-forum.html?_r=1&referer=" title="http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/12/07/us/politics/hillary-clinton-islamic-state-saban-forum.html?_r=1&referer=" rel="nofollow">Hillary Clinton, who said almost the same thing word-for-word</a>. I suspect this view - that platforms should not harbour terrorists - is held further abroad, too. Freedom of speech is not and has never been absolute.<br></li><li>Some people like freedom and others do not. Some people want to curb free speech because they consider some language
to be offensive. Some political parties want to tax one industry but not another. Some societies fear that allowing women an equal say in decision-making deprives the men of the power to protect and provide for the women and children. In any society which builds itself on the oppression of others, the granting of freedom equals loss of control and loss of status. Freedom implies the possibility that you and others can either engage in or be subject to dangerous, destructive, damaging behaviour. We are afraid that we might hurt someone, because we are not responsible enough, or we are afraid that other people might hurt us, because they have freedom but not our sense of responsibility. My point is, what Trump said about freedom online is neither controversial nor a minority view, because the human condition tends to run towards runaway inequality and eventually to aristocracy and beyond (see: history).<br></li><li>It is interesting that Trump thinks Bill Gates would be the gatekeeper of the Internet. I wonder if he said this because he knows his base knows who Bill Gates is, but may not be familiar with the likes of Mark Zuckerberg. <br></li></ol><div class="protonmail_signature_block "><div class="protonmail_signature_block-user "><div><br>Ayden Férdeline<br></div><div><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline" title="http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline">linkedin.com/in/ferdeline</a><br></div></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block-proton protonmail_signature_block-empty"><br></div></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite"><div>-------- Original Message --------<br></div><div>Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Trump speaking about the internet<br></div><div>Local Time: 2 December 2016 1:42 PM<br></div><div>UTC Time: 2 December 2016 13:42<br></div><div>From: cveraq@gmail.com<br></div><div>To: Aaron Eitan Meyer <aaron.eitan.meyer@gmail.com>, Remmy Nweke <remmyn@gmail.com><br></div><div>ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">From time to time, freedom requires someone to threaten it, to remember how valuable it is.<br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Carlos Vera<br></div><div style="width: 100%; font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div style="font-size: initial; font-family: Calibri, 'Slate Pro', sans-serif, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Enviado desde mi smartphone BlackBerry 10.<br></div><table style="background-color:white;border-spacing:0px;" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td style="font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" colspan="2"><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; font-family: Tahoma, 'BB Alpha Sans', 'Slate Pro'; font-size: 10pt;"><div><b>De: </b>Aaron Eitan Meyer<br></div><div><b>Enviado: </b>viernes, 2 de diciembre de 2016 08:22<br></div><div><b>Para: </b>Remmy Nweke<br></div><div><b>CC: </b>ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org<br></div><div><b>Asunto: </b>Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Trump speaking about the internet<br></div></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(186, 188, 209); border-top-width: 1pt; font-size: initial; text-align: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><br></div><div><br></div><div style=""><div><p style="text-align: start; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; line-height: 21.600000381469727px;" class="s3"><span style="line-height: 16.799999237060547px;" class="s17"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0)">Every time I see something like this, I'm reminded of EDPa Judge Stewart Dalzell's conclusion in ACLU v. Reno, two decades ago that “As the most participatory form of mass speech yet developed, the Internet deserves the highest protection from governmental intrusion.... Just as the strength of the Internet is chaos, so the strength of our liberty depends upon the chaos and cacophony of the unfettered speech the First Amendment protects.” </span></span><br></p><p style="text-align: start; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; line-height: 21.600000381469727px;" class="s3"><span style="line-height: 16.799999237060547px;" class="s17"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0)"></span></span><br></p><p style="text-align: start; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; line-height: 21.600000381469727px;" class="s3"><span style="line-height: 16.799999237060547px;" class="s17"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0)">Everyone is already aware, but it's worth reiterating that when the Supreme Court ultimately struck down the Communications Decency Act, it was 9-0. </span></span><br></p><p style="text-align: start; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; line-height: 21.600000381469727px;" class="s3"><span style="line-height: 16.799999237060547px;" class="s17"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0)"></span></span><br></p><p style="text-align: start; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; line-height: 21.600000381469727px;" class="s3"><span style="line-height: 16.799999237060547px;" class="s17"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:rgba(255, 255, 255, 0)">Aaron Eitan Meyer, Esq. </span></span><br></p><div><br></div><div>Sent from my iPhone<br></div></div><div><div><br></div><div>On Dec 2, 2016, at 7:29 AM, Remmy Nweke <<a href="mailto:remmyn@gmail.com">remmyn@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><p dir="ltr"><br></p><div>Interesting times indeed for the Internet community.<br></div><div>We shall see how the Trump Presidency manages this and 'headache' associated with the politics of Internet governance.<br></div><div>Remmy<br></div><p><br></p><div class="gmail_extra"><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Dec 1, 2016 6:20 PM, "DeeDee Halleck" <<a href="mailto:deedeehalleck@gmail.com">deedeehalleck@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(29, 33, 41)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"san francisco", -apple-system, blinkmacsystemfont, ".sfnstext-regular", sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:14px">"We're losing a lot of people because of the Internet," Trump said. "We have to go see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what's happening. We have to talk to them about, maybe in certain areas, closing that Internet up in some way. Somebody will say, 'Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.' These are foolish people. We have a lot of foolish people."</span></span></span><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- <br></div><div class="m_-954955997954262217gmail_signature"><div><a href="http://www.deepdishwavesofchange.org">http://www.<wbr>deepdishwavesofchange.org</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>xx<br></div><div>dd<br></div></div></div><div><br></div><div>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br></div><div>Ncuc-discuss mailing list<br></div><div><a href="mailto:Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org">Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a><br></div><div><a rel="noreferrer" href="http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss">http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss</a><br></div><div><br></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></div><div><span>Ncuc-discuss mailing list</span><br></div><div><span><a href="mailto:Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org">Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a></span><br></div><div><span><a href="http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss">http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss</a></span><br></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div><br><!--end of _originalContent --></div></body></html>