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<div>I think the insinuation that bribes are being paid to nomcom members, even in rare circumstances is a ludicrous accusation and I would like for you to retract it. Some of this communities best actors participate in nomcom on behalf of all our organisations,
how would we as NCUC feel if such accusations were levelled at Bill or Rafik or Brenden? Unless you have documentary evidence of such things I think its best not to run around slandering members of the community.</div>
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<div>To be honest I think that you need to speak with people from other constituencies more, if you think that they are all getting paid hourly rates to participate in ICANN and are getting rich of this there is a lot of learning to be done.</div>
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<div>And I personally would prefer EC members who say where we can work with others and get stronger as an SG rather than ones that seem to prefer to attack the very people who those of us out in the PDPs and on the committees and teams work with day in day
out. By isolating ourselves and putting ourselves onto some moral high ground and looking down on them we do ourselves a disservice and its certainly an attitude that will get us nowhere in the long run. </div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Raoul Plommer <<a href="mailto:plommer@gmail.com">plommer@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Friday 25 November 2016 at 05:49<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I think actual bribes like cash would be really quite rare, but business interests are satisfied more easily than best interests of humanity. They are collectives based on their business model, whereas we are working to keep the internet free
and equal. I think there's a fundamental difference there and we mostly do our work for free, whereas they get paid by the hour.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 25 November 2016 at 00:28, James Gannon <span dir="ltr">
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<div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">Because Im still trying to understand the statement "</font><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:-webkit-standard;font-size:medium">only a few constituencies can't be simply paid off.</span>”</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Raoul Plommer <<a href="mailto:plommer@gmail.com" target="_blank">plommer@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Thursday 24 November 2016 at 21:00<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>James Gannon <<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net" target="_blank">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>><br>
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<p dir="ltr">No, I'm saying that it's a valid reason to ask for a bigger representation.</p>
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<div>And translating that into our current discussion, as I asked in my previous question, does the then mean that you don’t feel our colleagues across the GNSO are motivated by anything other than profit, that there is no common ground for us to find, or that
we cannot support them or they cannot support us on issues of ‘decency and humanity’?</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Ncuc-discuss <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.nc<wbr>uc.org</a>> on behalf of Raoul Plommer <<a href="mailto:plommer@gmail.com" target="_blank">plommer@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Thursday 24 November 2016 at 20:20<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Johan Helsingius <<a href="mailto:julf@julf.com" target="_blank">julf@julf.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>NCUC-discuss <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">I'm not saying that businesses and humanity couldn't be combined or that businesses aren't able to do the right thing, every now and then, but when it comes to making a choice between the two, businesses will choose profit. I don't see any around
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 24 November 2016 at 21:55, Johan Helsingius <span dir="ltr">
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<span>On 24-11-16 20:12, Raoul Plommer wrote:<br>
> Our motivation is to keep internet humane and decent. Others' is to make<br>
> as much money off it, as possible. While it might be a binary way of<br>
> looking at things, it's a very clear line to me.<br>
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I am pretty sure you are familiar with my past history. :)<br>
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I have spent a heck of a lot of time fighting to make the<br>
internet not so much a humane and decent but free and equal place,<br>
while at the same time making money off (or through) it. The<br>
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