<div dir="ltr">It's easy. Either you are inspired by profit or you're not. NCSG's motivations are based on decency and humanity.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 24 November 2016 at 20:20, James Gannon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net" target="_blank">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div dir="ltr">What it really boils down to, is that only a few constituencies can't be simply paid off.</div>
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<div>I think that the stakeholder balance across the GNSO and in NomCom is a little more complex than just business vs non business. I agree some reform is needed however.</div>
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<div>There are new interests coming in with the new gTLDs, and it’s not impossible that at some point there’d be new constituencies seeking slots. Long running debate with regard to GNSO generally. So when the WG is up and running they along with everyone else
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<div><span style="float:none;display:inline">Meanwhile the three CSG constituencies get four reps (two for the BC!) and contracted also gets two reps. <b>How this will evolve if/when we new DNS industry constituencies due to the new gTLD program is hard to
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<div>You mean the CSG has four reps, of which <b>two </b>belong to the businesses large and small, one for the ISPs and one for the IP. Registrars and registries are also businesses so basically there is only one seat for non-commercial interests, whereas 6/7
GNSO seats are motivated by profit only. This is the most outrageous part in this and I can not comprehend, how they managed to take out the academic seat in the first place, but yeah, obviously I'm still learning about ICANN...</div>
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<div><span style="float:none;display:inline">Other routes could be to focus at the constituency rather than SG level, and try to get one for NPOC, or even for academics (there’s a history there). That’d still leave us with less than CSG though.</span></div>
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<div>Yes, I think that is the least we could be happy with, is getting a seat for the NPOC, so I would set that as a minimum. The best outcome in my view would be taking no less than three seats off the CSG if we were really to go down the route of having one
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<div>Absolutely. We need to engage with the relevant people within the SGs as well as ALAC, before we make any decisions on strategy. For example, Rubens suggested dialuting some of the votes, for example, ALAC could have 0.8 or 0.6 votes per geographical region.
There are many moving parts and first we need to map out all different, favourable outcomes and evaluate, which of them have most chances in succeeding and are they worth the fight. Some of these options definitely are.</div>
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