<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">"Overall within the NCPH there is support for a review of the existing GNSO structure and an urgent need for structural reform to be considered.”</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Does Tony actually believe this to be true? Does CSG really think that NCSG supports getting rid of houses? Did we have people on this group that indicated support for this, or at least a lack of opposition? Or are they just inventing an alleged consensus out of thin air? How did this get written? Sorry but I’ve not been plugged into such things since entering the NomCom cloister, so I’m clueless…but I never knew Tony to be unreasonable or a game-player when I was chairing NCUC or on Council with him so I’m wondering if there’s a disconnect somehow.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I don’t think we should be boycotting meetings or processes, we should engage, strongly oppose, and reject this document at the GNSO Futures meeting as representing any sort of agreement.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Bill</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 3, 2016, at 05:57, David Cake <<a href="mailto:dave@davecake.net" class="">dave@davecake.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Yes, we should entirely reject the idea of removing the house structure. As Ed says, removing ourselves from the process to remove any credibility might be an appropriate strategy. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I don’t really care if the CSG want to restructure themselves a bit internally to move resources from SG to C level or whatever, but they do not get to make that decision for us.<div class="">David</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 3 Nov. 2016, at 10:16 am, matthew shears <<a href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org" class="">mshears@cdt.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><p style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">It is unfortunate that the original perspectives and issues from early on in this process are not reflected in the new paper and certainly not in the second half which is - as Ed describes below - entirely and very unfortunately focussed on getting rid of the house structure. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""></p><p style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Attached are the early "findings" that reflect a far broader and more representative set of issues of concern to GNSO. Some of these I think we could have agreed to work on - but these are not in the new paper.<br class=""></p><p style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Matthew<br class=""></p><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">On 03/11/2016 01:44, Edward Morris wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote cite="mid:3DAE00A5-A43D-452C-8599-E32F2E3FFE56@toast.net" type="cite" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><div class="">Fellow NCUC members,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">At last year's intercessional meeting the CSG and NPOC combined to cause creation of this GNSO Futures group. Arriving late due to flight problems, I opposed creation of a NCPH working group such as this as being completely illegitimate and inimical to the interests of the NCUC. Too late. The group was formed.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This report by Tony Holmes is a completely biased farce. It is the CSG's wet dream with all proposed "solutions" to the "problem" of the GNSO House structure calling for the elimination of the House structure. That is not in the interest of the NCUC nor is further participation in this group. Any consideration of the future of the GNSO should be done alongside our partners in the Contracted Party House. The NCPH is a voting structure that has served us well, not an organisational cohort with which we should be involved in as a policy making or proposing institution.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I am not a member of the GNSO Futures Group as I opposed its creation and existence. Let me state my belief that the House structure has served the NCUC and the noncommercial community well and that any switch to a constituency based structure is contrary to the interests of the NCUC and our members. The Westlake study, despite its many flaws, correctly did not support structural change in the GNSO at this time. This so called Futures group and this report is nothing more than a backwards run around the proper and legitimate GNSO review that included all components of the GNSO. Therefore:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1. I ask all NCUC members of this group to oppose publication of this report;</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">2. I would ask the NCUC EC and our membership to reconsider our participation in this group and, in fact, to affirmatively cease our support of and participation in this group in any way, shape and manner.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I would also suggest that once consensus in this matter is reached within the NCUC we reach out to our colleagues in NPOC to discuss this matter. I do not believe empowerment of the CSG, the end result of any of the "reform" options, is in the interest of any component of the NCSG. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In our Council meeting next week we will be considering approval of a drafting team (DT) report that brings the transition reforms into the GNSO. The four members of the NCUC who participated on the DT (myself, Farzi, Matt and Amr) worked diligently and successfully to port the new powers into the GNSO based upon the current house structure within Council. We did so with the full support of RrSG and RySG. They, not the CSG, are our true partners in structural issues within the GNSO. We should no longer participate in a GNSO review that excludes them. This proposed report is an example of how giving the NCPH legitimacy as anything more than a voting algorithm is not in our interest. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Kind Regards,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Ed Morris <br class=""><br class="">Sent from my iPhone</div><div class=""><br class="">Begin forwarded message:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><b class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Chantelle Doerksen <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:chantelle.doerksen@icann.org" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class=""></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:chantelle.doerksen@icann.org" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;">chantelle.doerksen@icann.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Date:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>3 November 2016 at 02:54:51 GMT+5:30<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>"<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ncph-gnsofutures@icann.org" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">ncph-gnsofutures@icann.org</a>" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ncph-gnsofutures@icann.org" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">ncph-gnsofutures@icann.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">[Ncph-gnsofutures] ICANN57: GNSO Futures Meeting - Agenda/Presentation | Thursday, 3 November, 13:45 - 15:00 | Room: G.03/04</b><br class=""><br class=""></div></blockquote><div class=""><span class=""></span></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Dear all,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">In advance of the GNSO Futures meeting to be held during ICANN57 on Thursday afternoon, please see Tony Holmes’ note below and related attachment.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Kind regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Chantelle<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Meeting details:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><b class=""><u class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">GNSO Futures | ICANN57 Schedule Link:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://sched.co/8czi" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://sched.co/8czi</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></u></b></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> Room: G.03/04<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Time: 13:45 – 15:00 local time (UTC+5.30)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Adobe Connect:<u class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://participate.icann.org/hyd57-g3-c/" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://participate.icann.org/hyd57-g3-c/</a><o:p class=""></o:p></u></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">___________________<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Dear all,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">The attached report has no official status, but will be discussed during the GNSO Futures session to be held on Thursday 13.45 to 15.00.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">The attached report summarises the status of the discussions presented during the last GNSO Futures Conference call with the addition of a number of possible options for structural change in Section 7. None of those scenarios have been discussed; however, they are put forward as a starting point and will form the basis for discussion on agenda items 4 and 5.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Draft Agenda – NCPH GNOS Futures Group session<o:p class=""></o:p></span></b></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">Thursday, 3 November 13.45 to 15.00<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">1. Introductions<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">2. Adoption of agenda<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">3. Update on status of discussions<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">4. Interim Draft report<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">5. Key questions:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><i class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">- Is there support to publish a draft report within the NCPH for the record?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><i class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">- If so should that report include the identification of future options and a rationale outlining each approach (Sections 7 and 8)?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><i class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">- The possible expansion of those section to include other options?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><i class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">- Is there a need for this group to continue its activities?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><i class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">- Next steps and how best to proceed?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></i></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">6. 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