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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Yes, I can discuss
this at some length. Useful PIA workshop in New Zealand in
2003 on this subject. Consultants have had a long run at this,
churning out product at atrocious prices that spew back the
same OECD principles. However, real work can be done, just as
real threat risk assessments can be done for security if
properly scoped.....great debate about frameworks continues.
We went from a long form to a short form in Canada (federal
level) and many departments now, at behest of their legal
departments, back to their own long forms. I will leave it
there, I am good for hours on this particular topic. <br>
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<p>During this discussion, as we are in the room, <span
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Privacy Impact Assessments (PIAs)</span><span
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Privacy By Design. Can someone provide me with any evidence,
empirical research, or anything at all (beyond the same
tautology that PIA is very valuable) pointing they had made
any actual difference? I would be grateful for that. </span></p>
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<p>I know there has been a massive obsession with PIAs (or
maybe exploitation of buzzwords in grantwriting!) in
Universiteit Brussels years ago, cooperating with 'Trilateral
Research Consulting', and so on. And I share project link</p>
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<p><span style="font-size: 10pt;">if someone is interested, to
see who is writing it, and what is the EU-funded </span><span
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