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    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Yes, I can discuss
          this at some length.  Useful PIA workshop in New Zealand in
          2003 on this subject.  Consultants have had a long run at this,
          churning out product at atrocious prices that spew back the
          same OECD principles.  However, real work can be done, just as
          real threat risk assessments can be done for security if
          properly scoped.....great debate about frameworks continues. 
          We went from a long form to a short form in Canada (federal
          level) and many departments now, at behest of their legal
          departments, back to their own long forms.  I will leave it
          there, I am good for hours on this particular topic. <br>
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    <p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie</font></font><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2016-11-03 08:29, Zalnieriute,
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        <p>Dear All, </p>
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        <p>During this discussion, as we are in the room, <span
            style="font-size: 10pt;">I would like to say that the
            Privacy Impact Assessments (PIAs)</span><span
            style="font-size: 10pt;">, in my view, is
          </span><span style="font-size: 10pt;">hardly something</span><span
            style="font-size: 10pt;"> more than the tautology, just like
            Privacy By Design. Can someone provide me with any evidence,
            empirical research, or anything at all (beyond the same
            tautology that PIA is very valuable) pointing they had made
            any actual difference? I would be grateful for that. </span></p>
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        <p>I know there has been a massive obsession with PIAs (or
          maybe exploitation of buzzwords in grantwriting!) in
          Universiteit Brussels years ago, cooperating with 'Trilateral
          Research Consulting', and so on. And I share project link</p>
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                    Home. In some ways, Privacy Impact Assessments
                    (PIAs) are the culmination, in the privacy
                    protection field, of social, political and legal
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        <p><span style="font-size: 10pt;">if someone is interested, to
            see who is writing it, and what is the EU-funded </span><span
            style="font-size: 10pt;">project on that.</span><br>
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        <p>Best wishes,</p>
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        <p>Monika</p>
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