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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I think this idea is
really worth exploring, and would help with visa issues as
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2016-10-24 02:14, David Cake wrote:<br>
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I think we should also consider something in between a physical
meeting and a big adobe connect meeting, for example get really
serious about remote participation. We could use video meeting
facilities, maybe consider spreading a meeting across a few hubs
connected by video conference facilities.
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<div class="">Flying to Sydney or Singapore for me, Iceland or
Istanbul or Geneva or London for Europeans, Boston or LA or
Washington for the US, etc for a two day meeting is not that
unreasonable a use of my time, and would be almost as useful for
outreach if other groups from the region were there. Flying to
LA or Washington for a two day meeting means I spend more time
in the air than I do at the meeting, and if I don’t add an extra
day or two I’m usually a zombie from jet lag anyway. </div>
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<div class="">There is a pretty good argument to be made that if
we really want to broaden ICANN participation that a real
commitment to much better remote participation including a
better remote hub strategy is what is needed. Perhaps we could
volunteer to trial some of that. <br class="">
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<div class="">On 24 Oct 2016, at 10:30 AM, Mueller,
Milton L <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu" class="">milton@gatech.edu</a>>
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class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Let me intervene
in the discussion of the intersessional
location.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I have a brilliant
idea about how to resolve the meeting location
debate.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size:
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class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;
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rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div>
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class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;
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rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Don’t have a
physical meeting at all.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;
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class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">What is the
purpose of this meeting? I hear two motives
for it. One is liaising among the CSG and
NCSG. Building better coordination among the
user SGs. OK, if we want to liaise with the
NCPH we can do it in Adobe connect. A 3 hour
meeting via Adobe and we can talk about all
the things we need to talk about, and everyone
can attend (although even with these meetings
coordinating time is difficult). Maybe 2 3
hour meetings in a single day, or spread
across two days.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;
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class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I also hear that
“outreach” is another reason. I think that’s a
patently absurd add-on to the real agenda,
something to retroactively justify the
enormous amount of time and money spent. But
if we really do want outreach we can all do it
in our own communities without traveling, at a
fraction of the cost. $200 would support a
pretty nice happy hour meeting and for $1000
you could have 5 of them in 5 different
locations. Obviously, if outreach is a goal it
makes no sense to go to Iceland.<span
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class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;
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rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I think too many
of us are getting carried away with the idea
that we need to travel to do ICANN’s work. I
think ICANN staff has also gotten caught up in
the false idea that keeping people busy
running around is contributing to ICANN’s
mission. The mission of ICANN is not tourism.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
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class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;
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rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Please, folks,
let’s stand up for common sense and insist
that no F2F meeting needs to take place. And
if it does take place it should not be in
Washington DC again. If they try to hold it
anyway, we should simply refuse to attend and
make it abundantly clear why we are refusing
and kill the legitimacy of this meeting.<o:p
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Mueller<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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of Public Policy<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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of Technology<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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well-said (and loved the poem and your
passion)! You actually also made me think
of Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan, as well. I have
friends working there for the OSCE and
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of its current issues) offers e-visas to
most people as well. So, meeting there at
the hub is quite easy for people too (and
Istanbul, even as a major world city) is
very affordable too (bear in mind it's not
the capital of Turkey, Ankara is).<o:p
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2016 at 9:46 AM, farzaneh badii <<a
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quoting me and I was the one who
can't spell the city name you are
mentioning and attended that
meeting in place of Rafik I would
like to give you a response. <o:p
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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several times during the meeting
that the meeting should be held
somewhere other than the US and
even Europe. A cursory look at the
NCPH members (I do not want to
single out constituencies and
stakeholder groups, you can see it
for yourself) and leaders show
most people who have key roles
reside in Europe and the US, and
it extremely lacks diversity. We
have to get out of this bubble.
The majority does not have always
to win ( I have said something
like that in that meeting and
raised visa issues since someone
said the world is your oyster!).
So I thought I recommend
Singapore. It is in Asia; it is
easier for many to get visas and
it is more convenient for
travelers in Asia and Africa, and
attendees from North America for
once might have to go through the
hurdle of a long flight. I said<span
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class="">for once in the
previous sentence</u><span
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intercessionals happened solely in
the US past three years ( I think)
as Rob Hoggart said. <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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thinking more about this, I am
wondering why I did not recommend
Dushanbe. Dushanbe is in
Tajikistan. Tajikistan and
Turkmenistan used to be the heart
of great Persian poetry and
literature,so close to my heart.
We don't have many members from
Central Asia (if any) it would
have been nice to go there and do
outreach. But flights are too
expensive (from Europe and the
US), and budget wise we can't do
that. Not an option then. But you
see how easy it is to cross out
locations that don't make sense
budget wise and distance wise, but
it is not easy to cross out
locations that are not visa
friendly and not convenient for
the minority? Schengen is
difficult to get for many people
in Asia and Africa, and it
subjects people to provide many
documents that the Europeans and
Americans would have been
astounded if they knew about. Six
months bank statement, guarantee,
etc. and to be honest not always
visa applicants are treated with
dignity when they apply for
Schengen. You don't hear it
because the applicants are either
in the minority or there is no
venue to voice concerns. We can't
just say: get a Schengen. For
2017 intercessional we are going
to have a new EC member from
Africa. Would be nice not to give
that member as one of the first EC
tasks to apply for Schengen! You
have always been sympathetic to
this issue whenever I raised it,
and I thank you for that. <o:p
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going to a European or an American
location at this time. I am not
against going to Iceland, but I am
not for it either. Not because of
the city, it sounds wonderful and
convenient, but because for once
we might want to get out of US and
Europe. There is Internet in other
places too. Btw, I checked the US
State Department per diem
(according to their website),
maybe we are looking at different
things, but it is 386 USD per day.
It is an expensive city.Per diem
for Singapore , which is also an
expensive city, is 288 USD. <o:p
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follow an old Persian tradition (
I think the tradition is not very
rational, but it is quite
interesting and amusing) and
finish this correspondence with a
poem by Sa'di. <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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Adam are limbs of each other,<o:p
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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calamity of time affects one
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cannot remain at rest.<o:p
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<div style="margin: 0in 0in
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serif;" class="">So let's not stay
at rest even when one attendee of
the meeting might be subject to
going through complicated visa
processes to get to a meeting. And
let's not stay at rest until we
have diversity at NCPH.<o:p
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22 October 2016 at 06:17,
Edward Morris <<a
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Rafik,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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sans-serif;" class="">Thanks
for your response and
for all of your hard
work on our behalf.
Having to be in two
places at once is very
difficult (although
something many of us
apparently will be
required to do
repeatedly in
Hyderabad) and in
leading the Diversity
effort you chose
wisely and have our
thanks.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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believe we simply may
have a difference of
opinion, which
is great to bring to
the list.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
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class="">. The
report was shared in
NCUC EC list but
there was no
discussion yet as
you know. Members
can check that email
in the NCUC EC list
so they can make
their opinion <span
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href="http://lists.ncuc.org/pipermail/ncuc-ec/2016-October/003143.html"
target="_blank"
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for putting the link
there. I should have
done that in my post.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
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<p style="margin-right:
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class=""><span
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class="">While I
couldn't attend, I
suggested : to not
hold the meeting in
an US city again</span></em><span
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class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:
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style="font-size:
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class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:
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style="font-size:
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agree there.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:
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class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:
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class=""><span
style="font-size:
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class=""> The
meeting B in
johanesburg next
year is shorter by
design and also
focused on policy.</span></em><span
style="font-size:
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sans-serif;" class=""><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:
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style="font-size:
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class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:
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style="font-size:
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sans-serif;" class="">Agreed.
It is shorter by
design and is focused
on policy. That's one
of the reasons it's
not a good idea to add
what is largely a
structural meeting to
the policy
meeting, thus turning meeting
B into a clone of the
other non AGM meeting
in terms of time and
content. Once we do
that we're back to the
old schedule of two
6-7 day meetings, plus
travel time, plus the
longer AGM meeting
every year. I like the
short meeting B and
believe we should keep
it as designed: short
and focused on policy.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:
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style="font-size:
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class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:
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class=""><span
style="font-size:
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class="">I think
CCWG meeting will be
held in sunday as
happened in Helsinki
meeting and we can
avoid any clash.</span></em><i
class=""><span
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class="">
<em class=""><span
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class="">It is
more easier for
people to add 2
days to 5 days
meeting than
taking 5 or 6
separate days
off (at least
depending on the
itinerary) to
attend a
standalone
meeting such the
intersessional.</span></em></span></i><span
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class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:
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class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:
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style="font-size:
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class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:
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style="font-size:
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sans-serif;" class="">I
disagree.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:
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style="font-size:
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sans-serif;" class="">For
me, and I believe some
of our members,
shorter and more
frequent meetings are
easier to do. Those of
us who are involved in
situations involving
children, for example,
may find it easier to
get away for shorter
periods of time than
for longer ones. It's
very hard to ask a SO
to take care of a
child or children for
close to two weeks by
themselves; a week at
time is easier, even
if you have to do it
twice.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:
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style="font-size:
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sans-serif;" class="">Work
also is perhaps
different for many of
us I can take a week
off and return fairly
current. Two weeks,
such as I'm about to
do, is a lot harder.
Catching up becomes
harder. Things pile
up.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:
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Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size:
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sans-serif;" class="">I
realise that things
may be different for
many of our members.
Obviously, Rafik, what
is best for both us is
different. Neither
position is right or
wrong, just different.
That's why I thought
it was important that
upon hearing of the
NCUC position to bring
it to the list and
start a discussion. I
disagree with the
position, but
recognise I may be in
the minority. <o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:
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<p style="margin-right:
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class=""><span
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class="">Having it
in Johanesburg also
means a possible
outreach and also
having the
opportunity to
members to attend
the meeting and not
just the leadership.</span></em><span
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class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:
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style="font-size:
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class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:
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style="font-size:
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sans-serif;" class="">We're
already going to be in
Johannesburg for ICANN
59. Combining the
meetings causes us to
lose an outreach
possibility. I can't
tell you that having a
meeting in Reykjavik
will allow our
Icelandic members to
attend the meeting
largely because we
don't have any. To me,
that's a great reason
to go there. To get
some. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:
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<em class=""><span
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class="">At least
Hyderabad meeting
made all of us
equals with regard
to visa hurdles
and difficulties,
something some of
us have to handle
for every ICANN
meeting.</span></em><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:
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style="font-size:
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class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:
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style="font-size:
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sans-serif;" class="">Which
is why we should be
pressuring ICANN to
arrange and pay for
visa services firms to
assist our covered
travellers who need
visas. We talked about
this on Council three
meetings ago: Council
Chair James Bladell
talked about the
difference it made
when his company,
GoDaddy, hired such a
firm for it's
employees. It is
something out SG and C
leadership should
pursue with ICANN. It
really is not a
Council issue per se.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:
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style="font-size:
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sans-serif;" class="">Iceland
is a member of
the Schengen visa zone
so visa hurdles would
be the same as for any
European country that
is a member.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:
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style="font-size:
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class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:
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class=""><span
style="font-size:
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class="">It is too
early to dismiss any
option or push for a
specific one and we
will have to see all
pros and cons
according to
objective criteria.
When we get more
information and
suggestions, I think
we can make a
decision with
acceptable
trade-off.</span></em><span
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class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:
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style="font-size:
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class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:
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Roman', serif;" class=""><span
style="font-size:
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sans-serif;" class="">I
was responding to a
post that clearly
stated the NCUC was
already pushing two
options, one with
which I agreed and one
with which I
disagreed. I have made
a suggestion for a
meeting site and I'm
glad the door, and
mind, is still open.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:
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style="font-size:
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sans-serif;" class="">I
will reiterate,
though, my position
that the best place
for the intercessional
is no place. I'd be
far more interested,
for example, in
understanding where
the RrSG and RySG
stand on the issues
and how they function
than in meeting again
with the CSG. Although
the intercessional may
have had some purpose
at one time I'm not
sure it does any
longer.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:
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style="font-size:
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sans-serif;" class="">Thanks
for your discussion,
Rafik, and for your
hard work on behalf of
us all.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:
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style="font-size:
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class=""></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin-right:
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class=""></o:p></span></p>
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class="">Hope that
helps.<o:p
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<p
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class="">On
Oct 22, 2016
11:12 AM,
"Edward
Morris" <<a
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class="">egmorris1@toast.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p
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everybody,<o:p
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class=""><span
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class="">A bit
of history:
since the NCPH
intercessional
meeting was
started four
years ago
every meeting
has been held
in the United
States. The
CSG contingent
is largely US
based. We are
far more
diverse.
That’s why I
support any
and all
efforts to
have the next
such meeting
hosted outside
the boundaries
of the USA.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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class=""> <o:p
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</div>
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class=""><span
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class="">I
understand a
bit why the
meeting is
unlikely to
happen in Asia
or South
America or
Africa. I
would support
holding a
meeting in any
of those
regions.
Unfortunately
the budget for
the
intercessional
meeting is not
large and
because of the
CSG’s largely
American
composition
bringing
attendees to
most, if not
all, of those
regions is not
within the
budget. Zika
is also an
issue for
some, whether
a rational
concern or
not.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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class=""> <o:p
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</div>
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class="">I
should note
that rotating
the meeting
between
ICANN’s three
hub cities –
Los Angeles,
Singapore and
Istanbul –
makes a lot of
sense to me
but then again
I also
supported
putting ICANN
Meetings
themselves on
a similar
rotation.
Apparently
doing the
rotation for
the
intercessional
is also a no
go.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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class=""> <o:p
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</div>
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class=""><span
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class="">I was
pleasantly
surprised when
I learned that
at long last
Reykjavik
appears to be
getting
serious
consideration
for a small
group ICANN
meeting. I had
argued for
CCWG F2F
meetings to be
held there but
without
success.
Reykjavik just
makes sense.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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</div>
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class=""><span
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class="">Thus,
I was sad to
see on the
NCUC EC page
that this
wonderful city
was disparaged
as “some city
in Iceland
(please
forgive me I
will never
ever be able
to spell that
city’s name).”
I was happy to
learn that
some in the
noncommercial
community do
support
Reykjavik.
Just
apparently not
within the
NCUC EC
leadership.
Again, sad.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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class=""> <o:p
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</div>
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class="">One
of the NCUC
suggestions
was that the
intercessional
meeting be
attached to a
normal
Meeting, at
the beginning
or end. I
strongly
oppose that
idea for the
following
reasons:<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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</div>
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class="">1.
ICANN meetings
are already
too long.<o:p
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</div>
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</div>
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class=""> <o:p
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</div>
<div class="">
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class=""><span
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class="">For
those who are
single, are
students,
academics,
unemployed or
unattached it
might be easy
to pop off for
10 days to two
weeks a few
times a year.
For the rest
of of us it is
not. I would
find it much
easier to get
away for a
three day and
a five day
meeting (two
meetings) than
I would for a
single eight
day meeting. I
suspect I am
not alone with
this
preference.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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class=""> <o:p
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</div>
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class="">2.
The front end
of meetings
are already
used by other
groups.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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</div>
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class="">The
CCWG will be
meeting prior
to the next
three
Meetings. Many
NCUC members
volunteer on
the CCWG. Do
we proceed to
have an
intercessional
without these
volunteers? Or
do we extend
the meeting
even longer?<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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class=""> <o:p
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</div>
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class="">3.
People are
tired after an
ICANN Meeting.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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</div>
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class="">Do we
want to meet
for a few days
at the end of
an ICANN
Meeting? After
a week of
nonstop work
I’m not sure
it would be
productive to
add another
few days of
work to the
schedule. I
doubt many
would stick
around to
participate.
Those who do
may have the
battles of the
previous week
on their mind.
I know I
would. I’m not
sure I would
be up to being
overly
friendly to
CSG members
I’d just
battled for
several days.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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</div>
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class="">4.
The whole idea
of the
intercessional
meeting was to
bring the NCPH
together<em
class=""><span
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class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></em>from the ICANN
Meeting, where
things could
be a bit more
relaxed. <o:p
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</div>
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</div>
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class="">This
was a poor
idea and I’m
sorry to see
the NCUC
proposing it.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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class=""> <o:p
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</div>
<div class="">
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class="">I was
happy to see
the NCUC
suggest
Singapore as a
possible
meeting site
(see above).
I’m sorry the
budget seems
not to allow
for it.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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class=""> <o:p
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</div>
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class=""><span
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class="">I
understand
from posts by
our
representatives
to the
planning
meeting that
the cities
that may have
received
traction are
Washington,
Boston and
Reykjavik. Two
years ago the
intercession
was in DC. Do
we need to go
back to the
U.S. capital
every two
years?
Remember that
thing called
the
transition? Or
do we go to
Boston: my
birthplace,
but only a
whole 7 hours
drive away
from
Washington in
the same
country? One
country, one
internet?<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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</div>
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class="">Why
Reykjavik, or
as it was
called in a
post on the
NCUC EC
message board,
“some city in
Iceland”?
Because it
just makes
sense.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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</div>
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</div>
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class="">1.
Ease of travel<o:p
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</div>
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</div>
<div class="">
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class=""><span
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class="">The
large of
majority of
intercessional
attendees come
from either
Europe or the
east coast of
the United
States. Here
are some
nonstop travel
times to
Reykjavik:<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
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class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
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class="">Berlin:
3 hours 45
minutes<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
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5 hours 5
minutes<o:p
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class="">London:
3 hours 10
minutes<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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class=""><span
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class="">New
York: 5 hours
25 minutes<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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class="">Paris:
3 hours 30
minutes<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
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class=""><span
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class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode',
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class="">Shared
pain. Yes,
Reykjavik is
in Europe but
it is fairly
close to North
America. Of
great
importance
when
travelling in
winter there
are nonstop
flights to
Reykjavik from
a surprising
number of
North American
cities, east
and west
coasts, and
European
cities, north
and south (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keflav%C3%ADk_International_Airport"
target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
class="">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keflav%C3%ADk_International_Airport</a><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>). I had weather related
connection
problems while
transiting to
two of the
three
intercessions
I was supposed
to attend.
Nonstop
flights lessen
that
possibility.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode',
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class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
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class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode',
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class="">Those
coming from
outside these
two regions
will need to
change planes
to get to
Iceland, the
same as many
have to do no
matter where
we may hold
the meeting.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode',
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class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
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class=""><span
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class="">2.
Cost<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode',
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class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
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class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode',
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class="">The
US Department
of State per
diem rate for
Reykjavik is
$318 a day
(includes all
expenses,
including
accommodation.
Compare that
to Paris
($497) or
London ($468).<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode',
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class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode',
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class="">3.
Infrastructure<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode',
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class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
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class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode',
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class="">Iceland
is a modern
Nordic
country.
Things work
and the
meeting
infrastructure
is fantastic:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.meetinreykjavik.is/planyourevent"
target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
class="">http://www.meetinreykjavik.is/planyourevent</a><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode',
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class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode',
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class="">4.
Weather<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode',
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class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
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class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode',
sans-serif;"
class="">It’s
not the
tropics, but
in February
Reykjavik’s
average high
temperature of
39 degrees F
is actually 2
degrees higher
than Boston –
an apparent
alternate
choice.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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class=""><span
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class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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class=""><span
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class="">5.
Attractiveness<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
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class=""><span
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class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
<div
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class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode',
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class="">We’re
there to work
and Iceland
has excellent
facilities for
that. For
those who also
like fine
dining
Icelandic
seafood and
lamb are world
famous.
Pollution,
traffic
congestion:
non existent.
Sightseeing,
unique and
tremendous.
Nightlife:
voted many
times being
amongst the
best on earth.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
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class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode',
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class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode',
sans-serif;"
class="">The
big thing
though is
work. This is
a two day
meeting.
Reykjavik
offers the
potential to
bring the
greatest
number of
attendees to a
central
location with
the least
amount of
travel wear
and tear. Is
it perfect for
anyone? No. Is
it good for
many? Yes.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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class=""><span
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class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode',
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class="">It
certainly is
worthy of
consideration.
And as a non
US resident I
would have
serious
reservations
travelling
once again to
the USA for
the
intercessional
meeting. Is it
too much to
ask that it be
held outside
of the USA
once every
four or five
years? I will
also note that
the NCUC has
more members
based in
Europe than in
any other
region (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ncuc.org/about/members/" target="_blank" style="color:
purple;
text-decoration:
underline;"
class="">http://www.ncuc.org/about/members/</a><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>). How about making the CSG folks
have to travel
to the region
we have the
most members
for once?<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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class=""><span
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class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
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class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode',
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class="">Having
said all of
this I would
also opine
that I don’t
really see the
value in even
having the
intercessional
meeting. It
seems to
largely exist
to allow the
CSG members to
lobby staff.
No wonder they
want to keep
having it in
the country
with the most
ICANN staff.
Perhaps
instead of
debating where
we should be
having the
meeting we
should be
debating
whether to
have it at
all.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
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class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode',
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class=""> <o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
<div class="">
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class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode',
sans-serif;"
class="">If we
are going to
have it,
though, and
there are some
good reasons
to do so,
let’s really
consider the
options,
without
disparaging
one of the
most
remarkable
cities and
societies in
the world.
Reykjavik, the
capital of the
country with
the oldest
Parliament in
the world (the
Althing,
founded 930),
is not all
that hard to
spell. It’s
also very easy
to get to, has
tremendous
facilities,
reasonable
costs, and a
wonderful
democratic
tradition. All
reasons why
the
intercessional
should be held
there. At
least once.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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class=""> <o:p
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class=""><span
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class="">Reykjavik:
it just makes
sense.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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class="">Ed<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
</div>
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class=""> <o:p
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</div>
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class=""><span
style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Lucida Sans Unicode',
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class="">- It
makes sense
particularly
for the NCUC.
I note that
the NCUC
currently has
no members in
Iceland. As a
technologically advanced country with high education levels and high
levels of
English
competence, a
country that
has led the
world in
privacy and
online free
speech
initiatives,
this is
surprising.
This should be
prime NCUC
membership
territory. If
we take the
intercessional
to Reykjavik,
do some
outreach, it
just very well
may become one
of our more
prolific
countries in
terms of
membership.
Demographically
and
ideologically
it should be.
Given
Iceland’s
unequaled
democratic
tradition it’s
also a place
we may be able
to learn from
ourselves as
we transition
ICANN into
it’s exciting
new era.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
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class="">More
information:<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
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class=""><span
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sans-serif;"
class="">Let’s
Meet In The
Middle: <span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://vimeo.com/77711285"
target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
class="">https://vimeo.com/77711285</a><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div>
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