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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I have a brilliant idea about how to resolve the meeting location debate.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">What is the purpose of this meeting? I hear two motives for it. One is liaising among the CSG and NCSG. Building better coordination among the user SGs. OK, if
we want to liaise with the NCPH we can do it in Adobe connect. A 3 hour meeting via Adobe and we can talk about all the things we need to talk about, and everyone can attend (although even with these meetings coordinating time is difficult). Maybe 2 3 hour
meetings in a single day, or spread across two days.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I also hear that “outreach” is another reason. I think that’s a patently absurd add-on to the real agenda, something to retroactively justify the enormous amount
of time and money spent. But if we really do want outreach we can all do it in our own communities without traveling, at a fraction of the cost. $200 would support a pretty nice happy hour meeting and for $1000 you could have 5 of them in 5 different locations.
Obviously, if outreach is a goal it makes no sense to go to Iceland. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I think too many of us are getting carried away with the idea that we need to travel to do ICANN’s work. I think ICANN staff has also gotten caught up in the
false idea that keeping people busy running around is contributing to ICANN’s mission. The mission of ICANN is not tourism.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Please, folks, let’s stand up for common sense and insist that no F2F meeting needs to take place. And if it does take place it should not be in Washington DC
again. If they try to hold it anyway, we should simply refuse to attend and make it abundantly clear why we are refusing and kill the legitimacy of this meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Oghia<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 22, 2016 3:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Farzaneh Badiei <farzaneh.badii@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> NCUC-discuss <ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Intercessional<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Wonderfully well-said (and loved the poem and your passion)! You actually also made me think of Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan, as well. I have friends working there for the OSCE and they say really good things about it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Turkey (for all of its current issues) offers e-visas to most people as well. So, meeting there at the hub is quite easy for people too (and Istanbul, even as a major world city) is very affordable too (bear in mind it's not the capital
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<p class="MsoNormal">I insisted several times during the meeting that the meeting should be held somewhere other than the US and even Europe. A cursory look at the NCPH members (I do not want to single out constituencies and stakeholder groups, you can see
it for yourself) and leaders show most people who have key roles reside in Europe and the US, and it extremely lacks diversity. We have to get out of this bubble. The majority does not have always to win ( I have said something like that in that meeting and
raised visa issues since someone said the world is your oyster!). So I thought I recommend Singapore. It is in Asia; it is easier for many to get visas and it is more convenient for travelers in Asia and Africa, and attendees from North America for once might
have to go through the hurdle of a long flight. I said <u>for once in the previous sentence</u> as intercessionals happened solely in the US past three years ( I think) as Rob Hoggart said. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Now that I am thinking more about this, I am wondering why I did not recommend Dushanbe. Dushanbe is in Tajikistan. Tajikistan and Turkmenistan used to be the heart of great Persian poetry and literature,so close to my heart. We don't have
many members from Central Asia (if any) it would have been nice to go there and do outreach. But flights are too expensive (from Europe and the US), and budget wise we can't do that. Not an option then. But you see how easy it is to cross out locations that
don't make sense budget wise and distance wise, but it is not easy to cross out locations that are not visa friendly and not convenient for the minority? Schengen is difficult to get for many people in Asia and Africa, and it subjects people to provide many
documents that the Europeans and Americans would have been astounded if they knew about. Six months bank statement, guarantee, etc. and to be honest not always visa applicants are treated with dignity when they apply for Schengen. You don't hear it because
the applicants are either in the minority or there is no venue to voice concerns. We can't just say: get a Schengen. For 2017 intercessional we are going to have a new EC member from Africa. Would be nice not to give that member as one of the first EC tasks
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get out of US and Europe. There is Internet in other places too. Btw, I checked the US State Department per diem (according to their website), maybe we are looking at different things, but it is 386 USD per day. It is an expensive city.Per diem for Singapore
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<p class="MsoNormal">So let's not stay at rest even when one attendee of the meeting might be subject to going through complicated visa processes to get to a meeting. And let's not stay at rest until we have diversity at NCPH.<o:p></o:p></p>
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will be required to do repeatedly in Hyderabad) and in leading the Diversity effort you chose wisely and have our thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">I believe we simply may have a difference of opinion, which is great to bring to the list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><em><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">. The report was shared in NCUC EC list but there was no discussion yet as you know. Members can check that email in the NCUC EC list so they can make their
opinion <a href="http://lists.ncuc.org/pipermail/ncuc-ec/2016-October/003143.html" target="_blank">
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<p><em><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">While I couldn't attend, I suggested : to not hold the meeting in an US city again
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<p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">We agree there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><em><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif"> The meeting B in johanesburg next year is shorter by design and also focused on policy.</span></em><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">Agreed. It is shorter by design and is focused on policy. That's one of the reasons it's not a good idea to add what is largely a structural meeting to the policy meeting, thus turning meeting
B into a clone of the other non AGM meeting in terms of time and content. Once we do that we're back to the old schedule of two 6-7 day meetings, plus travel time, plus the longer AGM meeting every year. I like the short meeting B and believe we should keep
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<p><em><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">I think CCWG meeting will be held in sunday as happened in Helsinki meeting and we can avoid any clash.</span></em><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif"><br>
<em><span style="font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">It is more easier for people to add 2 days to 5 days meeting than taking 5 or 6 separate days off (at least depending on the itinerary) to attend a standalone meeting such the intersessional.</span></em></span></i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">I disagree.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">For me, and I believe some of our members, shorter and more frequent meetings are easier to do. Those of us who are involved in situations involving children, for example, may find
it easier to get away for shorter periods of time than for longer ones. It's very hard to ask a SO to take care of a child or children for close to two weeks by themselves; a week at time is easier, even if you have to do it twice.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">Work also is perhaps different for many of us I can take a week off and return fairly current. Two weeks, such as I'm about to do, is a lot harder. Catching up becomes harder. Things
pile up.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">I realise that things may be different for many of our members. Obviously, Rafik, what is best for both us is different. Neither position is right or wrong, just different. That's
why I thought it was important that upon hearing of the NCUC position to bring it to the list and start a discussion. I disagree with the position, but recognise I may be in the minority. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><em><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">Having it in Johanesburg also means a possible outreach and also having the opportunity to members to attend the meeting and not just the leadership.</span></em><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">We're already going to be in Johannesburg for ICANN 59. Combining the meetings causes us to lose an outreach possibility. I can't tell you that having a meeting in Reykjavik will
allow our Icelandic members to attend the meeting largely because we don't have any. To me, that's a great reason to go there. To get some. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<em><span style="font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">At least Hyderabad meeting made all of us equals with regard to visa hurdles and difficulties, something some of us have to handle for every ICANN meeting.</span></em><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">Which is why we should be pressuring ICANN to arrange and pay for visa services firms to assist our covered travellers who need visas. We talked about this on Council three meetings
ago: Council Chair James Bladell talked about the difference it made when his company, GoDaddy, hired such a firm for it's employees. It is something out SG and C leadership should pursue with ICANN. It really is not a Council issue per se.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">Iceland is a member of the Schengen visa zone so visa hurdles would be the same as for any European country that is a member.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><em><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">It is too early to dismiss any option or push for a specific one and we will have to see all pros and cons according to objective criteria. When we get more information and suggestions,
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<p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">I was responding to a post that clearly stated the NCUC was already pushing two options, one with which I agreed and one with which I disagreed. I have made a suggestion for a meeting
site and I'm glad the door, and mind, is still open.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">I will reiterate, though, my position that the best place for the intercessional is no place. I'd be far more interested, for example, in understanding where the RrSG and RySG stand
on the issues and how they function than in meeting again with the CSG. Although the intercessional may have had some purpose at one time I'm not sure it does any longer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">Thanks for your discussion, Rafik, and for your hard work on behalf of us all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">Hope that helps.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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US based. We are far more diverse. That’s why I support any and all efforts to have the next such meeting hosted outside the boundaries of the USA.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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the budget for the intercessional meeting is not large and because of the CSG’s largely American composition bringing attendees to most, if not all, of those regions is not within the budget. Zika is also an issue for some, whether a rational concern or not.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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that city’s name).” I was happy to learn that some in the noncommercial community do support Reykjavik. Just apparently not within the NCUC EC leadership. Again, sad.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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of of us it is not. I would find it much easier to get away for a three day and a five day meeting (two meetings) than I would for a single eight day meeting. I suspect I am not alone with this preference.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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to the schedule. I doubt many would stick around to participate. Those who do may have the battles of the previous week on their mind. I know I would. I’m not sure I would be up to being overly friendly to CSG members I’d just battled for several days.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">This was a poor idea and I’m sorry to see the NCUC proposing it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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years ago the intercession was in DC. Do we need to go back to the U.S. capital every two years? Remember that thing called the transition? Or do we go to Boston: my birthplace, but only a whole 7 hours drive away from Washington in the same country? One country,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">Why Reykjavik, or as it was called in a post on the NCUC EC message board, “some city in Iceland”? Because it just makes sense.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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from a surprising number of North American cities, east and west coasts, and European cities, north and south (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keflav%C3%ADk_International_Airport" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keflav%C3%ADk_International_Airport</a>
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least amount of travel wear and tear. Is it perfect for anyone? No. Is it good for many? Yes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Is it too much to ask that it be held outside of the USA once every four or five years? I will also note that the NCUC has more members based in Europe than in any other region (<a href="http://www.ncuc.org/about/members/" target="_blank">http://www.ncuc.org/about/members/</a>
). How about making the CSG folks have to travel to the region we have the most members for once?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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members to lobby staff. No wonder they want to keep having it in the country with the most ICANN staff. Perhaps instead of debating where we should be having the meeting we should be debating whether to have it at all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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cities and societies in the world. Reykjavik, the capital of the country with the oldest Parliament in the world (the Althing, founded 930), is not all that hard to spell. It’s also very easy to get to, has tremendous facilities, reasonable costs, and a wonderful
democratic tradition. All reasons why the intercessional should be held there. At least once.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Sans Unicode",sans-serif">- It makes sense particularly for the NCUC. I note that the NCUC currently has no members in Iceland. As a technologically advanced country with high education
levels and high levels of English competence, a country that has led the world in privacy and online free speech initiatives, this is surprising. This should be prime NCUC membership territory. If we take the intercessional to Reykjavik, do some outreach,
it just very well may become one of our more prolific countries in terms of membership. Demographically and ideologically it should be. Given Iceland’s unequaled democratic tradition it’s also a place we may be able to learn from ourselves as we transition
ICANN into it’s exciting new era.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="https://vimeo.com/77711285" target="_blank">https://vimeo.com/77711285</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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