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<p>Dear All!</p>
<p>I want to congratulate Peter for his considered response and the
wise decision to put this matter into the hands of the ombuds....
This is the fairest and most effective way to come to a decision.
<br>
</p>
<p>Yours</p>
<p>Klaus<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/15/2016 6:48 AM, Sonigitu Ekpe
wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Hi All! </p>
<p dir="ltr">Great to hear Peter Green's response.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I hoped to be properly clarified as I keep my fingers
crossed.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Warm regards,</p>
<p dir="ltr">Sonigitu Ekpe<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 12 Aug 2016 2:46 p.m., "Carlos Raúl
Gutiérrez G." <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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I look forward to the OMBUDSMAN´s analysis.<br>
<br>
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez<br>
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On 12 Aug 2016, at 7:41, Seun Ojedeji wrote:<br>
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If what Peter writes here is a fact then i strongly
suggest that EC<br>
rethinks their approach of engaging. I encourage the Chair
to subsequently<br>
take further discussion about this off-list and
communicate final decision<br>
of the EC to the public.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
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Dear All,<br>
<br>
Sorry for responding late. I have been kept away from
any work for a few<br>
days due to my family affairs in far hometown.<br>
I was shocked by the wave of this public discussion
here.<br>
Before I went home, I did acknowledge receipt of a
Letter from the EC,<br>
which came as a complete shock.<br>
I did not know any investigation by the EC until I
received the letter.<br>
What made me feel misery is that the letter does not
include any word or<br>
any timeline to ask me to respond and I do not know
what to do, since the<br>
letter only asks me to resign.<br>
<br>
To be clear, I do not think I broke the rules regarding
the eligibility<br>
of NCUC individual membership under current NCUC Bylaws.<br>
I do not accept any alleged claim that I broke it.<br>
<br>
Now that there have been such huge divergent views on
this among many my<br>
respected NCUC veterans Milton, Bill, Kathy, Avri etc.<br>
I would not waste your time here. I ask for the ICANN
Ombudsman to look<br>
into this. Let the Ombudsman judge. I will take no
further action until<br>
then.<br>
<br>
Thank you all.<br>
<br>
Best Regards<br>
Peter Green<br>
<br>
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<br>
Thanks Naveed, thats a good point but IMHO, the focus
here is not this<br>
particular case or any decisions that is made or going
to be made. I<br>
believe our focus here is (as Stefania said) a
much-needed assessment of<br>
our rules and our role.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
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*Sent:* Thursday, August 11, 2016 11:14 PM<br>
*Subject:* Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] important information<br>
<br>
I fully agree with the arguments made by Farzaneh.<br>
<br>
However, I just wonder if the violation was made
recently or is it an old<br>
matter. As far as I remember, Peter has been serving the
EC representing<br>
the AP region for around 3 years and anyways is not
eligible to contest for<br>
the next elections on the EC seat.<br>
<br>
Naveed -<br>
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On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 9:36 PM, farzaneh badii <<a
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wrote:<br>
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Hello Zakir,<br>
<br>
Initially, we sent a private message to Peter to resign.
Why? Because we<br>
did not want Peter to be under public scrutiny. We had
to make our email<br>
public because unfortunately we did not receive a
response from Peter<br>
challenging us or resigning but we found out that other
people have been<br>
informed. We did not want some of our members to know
about the issue while<br>
others didn't hence had to announce it.<br>
<br>
<br>
We are the executive committee elected by the
constituency (not<br>
appointed) and we have to to make decisions. As to the
procedural matters,<br>
first I have to say I stand up for the principles of
procedural justice and<br>
have spent a long time working on them. But in this
case, our members are<br>
voicing concerns about procedural matters which are
very important in<br>
many situations but in our situation, these procedural
matters should be<br>
considered in light of the nature of our functioning and
work. I have<br>
several remarks on this.<br>
<br>
We are not an adversarial body, we are an executive
committee. While we<br>
have to observe the principles of procedural justice we
can decide how we<br>
approach issues and make decisions and of course provide
plausible<br>
rationales for those decisions. Not all procedural
justice principles (I am<br>
adamant not to use due process, I think it's the wrong
usage) apply to<br>
every situation. For example in the beginning,
transparency would not have<br>
been in favor of Peter. But we had to make the matter
public because Peter<br>
did not directly communicate with us.<br>
<br>
<br>
In the beginning, EC decided not to make the matter
public(because of the<br>
reason I said above), communication took place between
EC members<br>
(respected his privacy and maintained confidentiality),
told Peter the<br>
basis of EC decision, one of the pillars of justice is
to give reason for<br>
the decision , and requested him to resign from EC
(which is pragmatic<br>
justice, clear instructions on what we wanted him to
do). Please note that<br>
nothing is final at this stage.<br>
<br>
You should also know that this issue was raised over a
year ago when some<br>
of us were not on the Executive Committee and Peter was
warned about this.<br>
We did not make a hasty decision.<br>
<br>
What I have also been hearing is whether Peter had the
chance to provide<br>
evidence or defend himself. The decision to ask *Peter
to resign from EC *(note<br>
that he was asked to resign from EC not NCUC) has been
made primarily<br>
based on one fact that cannot be challenged nor
defended: Peter is a<br>
full-time employee of a registry. Based on our
interpretation of the bylaws<br>
and considering other matters such as the integrity of
our constituency we<br>
decided that Peter should *resign from EC. *<br>
<br>
Some may dispute our decision and might disagree that
the fact that Peter<br>
works for a registry and is in a leadership role at NCUC
do not hamper our<br>
integrity. I think it is necessary for us to discuss
things with our<br>
members and inform them of the decisions which I have
tried to actively do<br>
and we need to listen to our members and members should
be able to<br>
challenge us. However, in the end, EC has to make a
decision. At the moment<br>
the mechanism to challenge and hold the EC accountable
as Milton said is<br>
through elections. If the majority of members are
concerned with the way EC<br>
makes decisions then they can vote against them. If it
gets to the point<br>
that members do not see elections as a sufficient tool
or optimal, some<br>
other measures maybe considered.<br>
<br>
EC should and we try our best to take fair decisions.<br>
<br>
The next step for us (EC) is to have a meeting with
Peter. This meeting<br>
will be transcribed and notes will be taken.<br>
<br>
Best<br>
<br>
Farzaneh<br>
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On 11 August 2016 at 02:31, Zakir Syed <<a
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Dear Farzaneh, Thanks for that info.<br>
Was wondering, why not to wait for a response from Peter
first.<br>
Just if Peter resigns (he has not - as you said) the
Article VII will do.<br>
But if, there is a response/explanation from Peter and
no resignation, I<br>
don't think the Article VII will do. I could be wrong
though. Also, what is<br>
going to be the tool for taking the "next steps". I
mean, do we have<br>
anything for such a scenario in the bylaws? If not, what
happens.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Zakir<br>
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*Sent:* Monday, August 8, 2016 3:52 PM<br>
*Subject:* Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] important information<br>
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Dear Kaswesha,<br>
<br>
Let me clarify that we have requested Peter to resign
from NCUC EC but<br>
Peter has not resigned yet, so we are yet to take the
next steps.<br>
<br>
NCUC Bylaws have predicted processes in case of a member
leaves office<br>
(Article VII) .According to Article VII(section E), as
we have less than 6<br>
months to the EC elections, no early elections are
needed and the chair may<br>
appoint a temporary replacement.<br>
<br>
Best<br>
<br>
Farzaneh<br>
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On 8 August 2016 at 12:05, KASWESHA <<a
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wrote:<br>
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Noted Rafik. Does this mean we have a by-election to
replace Peter? Or How<br>
does work?<br>
<br>
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Dear members:<br>
<br>
I am sharing with you an important and extraordinary
announcement. Last<br>
week the NCUC EC agreed to ask one of its members, Peter
Green, to resign.<br>
It was not an easy act or one that we took lightly, and
we had to think<br>
about it for some time. Our action was necessary because
of an undeclared<br>
conflict of interest and a clash with our membership
eligibility rules.<br>
<br>
Peter is an employee of CONAC, a TLD registry associated
with the<br>
government of China. As a CONAC employee, he is an
active member of and<br>
participant in the Registry Stakeholder Group. It has
been a longstanding<br>
principle of NCUC membership eligibility rules that
people or organizations<br>
that are members of another SG or constituency in the
GNSO cannot also be<br>
members of NCUC (bylaws III.3). This is done to prevent
other interest<br>
groups from attempting to control or unduly shape our
Constituency, which<br>
is devoted to noncommercial user interests.<br>
<br>
Peter has been actively working on behalf of the
Registry SG for some<br>
time, even as he has been serving on our Executive
Committee. This is<br>
evident from articles such as this<br>
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group such as this <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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splay/S1SF/Drafting+Team<br>
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We note with concern that Peter's Conflict of Interest
statement when<br>
running for election to the NCUC EC failed to mention
his employment at<br>
CONAC.<br>
<br>
I wanted you to be aware of this issue and to understand
the basis for our<br>
actions.<br>
<br>
Best Regards,<br>
<br>
Rafik Dammak<br>
<br>
---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
<br>
Dear Peter (Zuan Zhang):<br>
For some time we (the undersigned representatives of the
Executive<br>
Committee) have received complaints or expressions of
concern about your<br>
eligibility for membership in the Noncommercial
Stakeholders Group. The EC<br>
has investigated this matter and has come to the
conclusion that you are<br>
ineligible for NCSG membership and thus must resign from
the NCUC Executive<br>
Committee immediately.<br>
We want to make it clear that this is not caused by any
misconduct on your<br>
part; it is purely a matter of applying our eligibility
rules. Your<br>
contribution to our EC has been exemplary, but we cannot
continue to<br>
contradict our membership rules. This would open the
door to many other<br>
ineligible members and possible abuses. We hope you can
accept this<br>
decision in a good spirit.<br>
Section 2.2.2 of the NCSG charter specifically excludes
from membership<br>
"Organizations that are represented in ICANN through
another Supporting<br>
Organization."<br>
Section 2.2.5 of the NCSG charter makes it clear that
individuals are<br>
eligible only if they are "not represented in ICANN
through membership in<br>
another Supporting Organization or GNSO Stakeholder
Group."<br>
As an employee of CONAC, you are a member of the
Registry stakeholder<br>
group and have played an active role representing CONAC
in the Registry<br>
Stakeholder Group (RSG). CONAC is a domain name
registry, which has its own<br>
Stakeholder Group, where your affiliation with CONAC as
an employee is<br>
persistent and strong. We understand that before CONAC
was a TLD registry,<br>
its employees were admitted into NCSG because there was
no other place for<br>
them to be represented and there was less of a conflict
of interest. But<br>
that time has passed; CONAC is now a full-fledged TLD
registry operator and<br>
its policy interests are represented in the RSG.<br>
We thank you for your prior participation in our group
and encourage you<br>
to stay involved in the GNSO via the Registry
Stakeholder Group.<br>
Farzaneh Badii<br>
Caribe Joao Carlos<br>
Rafik Dammak<br>
Grace Githaiga<br>
Milton Mueller<br>
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