<p dir="ltr">Hi All! </p>
<p dir="ltr">Great to hear Peter Green's response.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I hoped to be properly clarified as I keep my fingers crossed.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Warm regards,</p>
<p dir="ltr">Sonigitu Ekpe<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 12 Aug 2016 2:46 p.m., "Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez G." <<a href="mailto:crg@isoc-cr.org">crg@isoc-cr.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">+1 Seun<br>
I look forward to the OMBUDSMAN´s analysis.<br>
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On 12 Aug 2016, at 7:41, Seun Ojedeji wrote:<br>
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If what Peter writes here is a fact then i strongly suggest that EC<br>
rethinks their approach of engaging. I encourage the Chair to subsequently<br>
take further discussion about this off-list and communicate final decision<br>
of the EC to the public.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Peter Green <<a href="mailto:seekcommunications@hotmail.com" target="_blank">seekcommunications@hotmail.co<wbr>m</a><br>
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Dear All,<br>
<br>
Sorry for responding late. I have been kept away from any work for a few<br>
days due to my family affairs in far hometown.<br>
I was shocked by the wave of this public discussion here.<br>
Before I went home, I did acknowledge receipt of a Letter from the EC,<br>
which came as a complete shock.<br>
I did not know any investigation by the EC until I received the letter.<br>
What made me feel misery is that the letter does not include any word or<br>
any timeline to ask me to respond and I do not know what to do, since the<br>
letter only asks me to resign.<br>
<br>
To be clear, I do not think I broke the rules regarding the eligibility<br>
of NCUC individual membership under current NCUC Bylaws.<br>
I do not accept any alleged claim that I broke it.<br>
<br>
Now that there have been such huge divergent views on this among many my<br>
respected NCUC veterans Milton, Bill, Kathy, Avri etc.<br>
I would not waste your time here. I ask for the ICANN Ombudsman to look<br>
into this. Let the Ombudsman judge. I will take no further action until<br>
then.<br>
<br>
Thank you all.<br>
<br>
Best Regards<br>
Peter Green<br>
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*发件人:* Ncuc-discuss <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.nc<wbr>uc.org</a>> 代表 Zakir Syed<br>
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*发送时间:* 2016年8月12日 6:51<br>
*收件人:* Rao Naveed Bin Rais; farzaneh badii<br>
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*主题:* Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] important information<br>
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Thanks Naveed, thats a good point but IMHO, the focus here is not this<br>
particular case or any decisions that is made or going to be made. I<br>
believe our focus here is (as Stefania said) a much-needed assessment of<br>
our rules and our role.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
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*From:* Rao Naveed Bin Rais <<a href="mailto:naveedbinrais@gmail.com" target="_blank">naveedbinrais@gmail.com</a>><br>
*To:* farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>><br>
*Cc:* Zakir Syed <<a href="mailto:zakirbinrehman@yahoo.com" target="_blank">zakirbinrehman@yahoo.com</a>>; "<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>"<br>
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*Sent:* Thursday, August 11, 2016 11:14 PM<br>
*Subject:* Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] important information<br>
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I fully agree with the arguments made by Farzaneh.<br>
<br>
However, I just wonder if the violation was made recently or is it an old<br>
matter. As far as I remember, Peter has been serving the EC representing<br>
the AP region for around 3 years and anyways is not eligible to contest for<br>
the next elections on the EC seat.<br>
<br>
Naveed -<br>
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On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 9:36 PM, farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
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Hello Zakir,<br>
<br>
Initially, we sent a private message to Peter to resign. Why? Because we<br>
did not want Peter to be under public scrutiny. We had to make our email<br>
public because unfortunately we did not receive a response from Peter<br>
challenging us or resigning but we found out that other people have been<br>
informed. We did not want some of our members to know about the issue while<br>
others didn't hence had to announce it.<br>
<br>
<br>
We are the executive committee elected by the constituency (not<br>
appointed) and we have to to make decisions. As to the procedural matters,<br>
first I have to say I stand up for the principles of procedural justice and<br>
have spent a long time working on them. But in this case, our members are<br>
voicing concerns about procedural matters which are very important in<br>
many situations but in our situation, these procedural matters should be<br>
considered in light of the nature of our functioning and work. I have<br>
several remarks on this.<br>
<br>
We are not an adversarial body, we are an executive committee. While we<br>
have to observe the principles of procedural justice we can decide how we<br>
approach issues and make decisions and of course provide plausible<br>
rationales for those decisions. Not all procedural justice principles (I am<br>
adamant not to use due process, I think it's the wrong usage) apply to<br>
every situation. For example in the beginning, transparency would not have<br>
been in favor of Peter. But we had to make the matter public because Peter<br>
did not directly communicate with us.<br>
<br>
<br>
In the beginning, EC decided not to make the matter public(because of the<br>
reason I said above), communication took place between EC members<br>
(respected his privacy and maintained confidentiality), told Peter the<br>
basis of EC decision, one of the pillars of justice is to give reason for<br>
the decision , and requested him to resign from EC (which is pragmatic<br>
justice, clear instructions on what we wanted him to do). Please note that<br>
nothing is final at this stage.<br>
<br>
You should also know that this issue was raised over a year ago when some<br>
of us were not on the Executive Committee and Peter was warned about this.<br>
We did not make a hasty decision.<br>
<br>
What I have also been hearing is whether Peter had the chance to provide<br>
evidence or defend himself. The decision to ask *Peter to resign from EC *(note<br>
that he was asked to resign from EC not NCUC) has been made primarily<br>
based on one fact that cannot be challenged nor defended: Peter is a<br>
full-time employee of a registry. Based on our interpretation of the bylaws<br>
and considering other matters such as the integrity of our constituency we<br>
decided that Peter should *resign from EC. *<br>
<br>
Some may dispute our decision and might disagree that the fact that Peter<br>
works for a registry and is in a leadership role at NCUC do not hamper our<br>
integrity. I think it is necessary for us to discuss things with our<br>
members and inform them of the decisions which I have tried to actively do<br>
and we need to listen to our members and members should be able to<br>
challenge us. However, in the end, EC has to make a decision. At the moment<br>
the mechanism to challenge and hold the EC accountable as Milton said is<br>
through elections. If the majority of members are concerned with the way EC<br>
makes decisions then they can vote against them. If it gets to the point<br>
that members do not see elections as a sufficient tool or optimal, some<br>
other measures maybe considered.<br>
<br>
EC should and we try our best to take fair decisions.<br>
<br>
The next step for us (EC) is to have a meeting with Peter. This meeting<br>
will be transcribed and notes will be taken.<br>
<br>
Best<br>
<br>
Farzaneh<br>
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On 11 August 2016 at 02:31, Zakir Syed <<a href="mailto:zakirbinrehman@yahoo.com" target="_blank">zakirbinrehman@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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Dear Farzaneh, Thanks for that info.<br>
Was wondering, why not to wait for a response from Peter first.<br>
Just if Peter resigns (he has not - as you said) the Article VII will do.<br>
But if, there is a response/explanation from Peter and no resignation, I<br>
don't think the Article VII will do. I could be wrong though. Also, what is<br>
going to be the tool for taking the "next steps". I mean, do we have<br>
anything for such a scenario in the bylaws? If not, what happens.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Zakir<br>
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*From:* farzaneh badii <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com" target="_blank">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>><br>
*To:* KASWESHA <<a href="mailto:kaswesha@gmail.com" target="_blank">kaswesha@gmail.com</a>><br>
*Cc:* "<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br>
*Sent:* Monday, August 8, 2016 3:52 PM<br>
*Subject:* Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] important information<br>
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Dear Kaswesha,<br>
<br>
Let me clarify that we have requested Peter to resign from NCUC EC but<br>
Peter has not resigned yet, so we are yet to take the next steps.<br>
<br>
NCUC Bylaws have predicted processes in case of a member leaves office<br>
(Article VII) .According to Article VII(section E), as we have less than 6<br>
months to the EC elections, no early elections are needed and the chair may<br>
appoint a temporary replacement.<br>
<br>
Best<br>
<br>
Farzaneh<br>
<br>
On 8 August 2016 at 12:05, KASWESHA <<a href="mailto:kaswesha@gmail.com" target="_blank">kaswesha@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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Noted Rafik. Does this mean we have a by-election to replace Peter? Or How<br>
does work?<br>
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On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 6:45 AM, Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
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Dear members:<br>
<br>
I am sharing with you an important and extraordinary announcement. Last<br>
week the NCUC EC agreed to ask one of its members, Peter Green, to resign.<br>
It was not an easy act or one that we took lightly, and we had to think<br>
about it for some time. Our action was necessary because of an undeclared<br>
conflict of interest and a clash with our membership eligibility rules.<br>
<br>
Peter is an employee of CONAC, a TLD registry associated with the<br>
government of China. As a CONAC employee, he is an active member of and<br>
participant in the Registry Stakeholder Group. It has been a longstanding<br>
principle of NCUC membership eligibility rules that people or organizations<br>
that are members of another SG or constituency in the GNSO cannot also be<br>
members of NCUC (bylaws III.3). This is done to prevent other interest<br>
groups from attempting to control or unduly shape our Constituency, which<br>
is devoted to noncommercial user interests.<br>
<br>
Peter has been actively working on behalf of the Registry SG for some<br>
time, even as he has been serving on our Executive Committee. This is<br>
evident from articles such as this<br>
<a href="http://www.chinagov.cn/english" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.chinagov.cn/english</a> /News/CONACNews/201509/t201509<br>
24_281168.html<br>
<<a href="http://www.chinagov.cn/english/News/CONACNews/201509/t20150924_281168.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.chinagov.cn/englis<wbr>h/News/CONACNews/201509/t20150<wbr>924_281168.html</a>><br>
and from records of the registry constituency working group such as this <a href="https://community.icann.org/di" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/di</a><br>
splay/S1SF/Drafting+Team<br>
<<a href="https://community.icann.org/display/S1SF/Drafting+Team" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/d<wbr>isplay/S1SF/Drafting+Team</a>><br>
We note with concern that Peter's Conflict of Interest statement when<br>
running for election to the NCUC EC failed to mention his employment at<br>
CONAC.<br>
<br>
I wanted you to be aware of this issue and to understand the basis for our<br>
actions.<br>
<br>
Best Regards,<br>
<br>
Rafik Dammak<br>
<br>
---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
<br>
Dear Peter (Zuan Zhang):<br>
For some time we (the undersigned representatives of the Executive<br>
Committee) have received complaints or expressions of concern about your<br>
eligibility for membership in the Noncommercial Stakeholders Group. The EC<br>
has investigated this matter and has come to the conclusion that you are<br>
ineligible for NCSG membership and thus must resign from the NCUC Executive<br>
Committee immediately.<br>
We want to make it clear that this is not caused by any misconduct on your<br>
part; it is purely a matter of applying our eligibility rules. Your<br>
contribution to our EC has been exemplary, but we cannot continue to<br>
contradict our membership rules. This would open the door to many other<br>
ineligible members and possible abuses. We hope you can accept this<br>
decision in a good spirit.<br>
Section 2.2.2 of the NCSG charter specifically excludes from membership<br>
"Organizations that are represented in ICANN through another Supporting<br>
Organization."<br>
Section 2.2.5 of the NCSG charter makes it clear that individuals are<br>
eligible only if they are "not represented in ICANN through membership in<br>
another Supporting Organization or GNSO Stakeholder Group."<br>
As an employee of CONAC, you are a member of the Registry stakeholder<br>
group and have played an active role representing CONAC in the Registry<br>
Stakeholder Group (RSG). CONAC is a domain name registry, which has its own<br>
Stakeholder Group, where your affiliation with CONAC as an employee is<br>
persistent and strong. We understand that before CONAC was a TLD registry,<br>
its employees were admitted into NCSG because there was no other place for<br>
them to be represented and there was less of a conflict of interest. But<br>
that time has passed; CONAC is now a full-fledged TLD registry operator and<br>
its policy interests are represented in the RSG.<br>
We thank you for your prior participation in our group and encourage you<br>
to stay involved in the GNSO via the Registry Stakeholder Group.<br>
Farzaneh Badii<br>
Caribe Joao Carlos<br>
Rafik Dammak<br>
Grace Githaiga<br>
Milton Mueller<br>
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