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Sorry for responding late. I have been kept away from any work for a few days due to my family affairs in far hometown.</div>
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I was shocked by the wave of this public discussion here. </div>
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Before I went home, I did acknowledge receipt of <span style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', NotoColorEmoji, 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Android Emoji', EmojiSymbols;">a Letter from the EC, which came as a
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I did not know any investigation by the EC until I received the letter. What made me feel misery is that the letter does not include any word or any timeline to ask me to respond and I do not know what to do, since the letter only asks me to resign.</div>
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">To be clear, I do not think I broke the rules regarding the </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">eligibility of </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">NCUC individual </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">membership under current
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;">I do not accept any alleged claim that I broke it.</span><br>
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Now that there have been such huge divergent views on this among many my respected NCUC veterans Milton, Bill, Kathy, Avri etc. </div>
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I would not waste your time here. I ask for the ICANN Ombudsman to look into this. Let the Ombudsman judge. I will take no further action until then.<br>
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<b>发送时间:</b> 2016年8月12日 6:51<br>
<b>收件人:</b> Rao Naveed Bin Rais; farzaneh badii<br>
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<div>However, I just wonder if the violation was made recently or is it an old matter. As far as I remember, Peter has been serving the EC representing the AP region for around 3 years and anyways is not eligible to contest for the next elections on the EC
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<div>Initially, we sent a private message to Peter to resign. Why? Because we did not want Peter to be under public scrutiny. We had to make our email public because unfortunately we did not receive a response from Peter challenging us or resigning but we found
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<div>We are the executive committee elected by the constituency (not appointed) and we have to to make decisions. As to the procedural matters, first I have to say I stand up for the principles of procedural justice and have spent a long time working on them.
But in this case, our members are voicing concerns about procedural matters which are very important in many situations but in our situation, these procedural matters should be considered in light of the nature of our functioning and work. I have several
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<div>We are not an adversarial body, we are an executive committee. While we have to observe the principles of procedural justice we can decide how we approach issues and make decisions and of course provide plausible rationales for those decisions. Not all
procedural justice principles (I am adamant not to use due process, I think it's the wrong usage) apply to every situation. For example in the beginning, transparency would not have been in favor of Peter. But we had to make the matter public because Peter
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<div>In the beginning, EC decided not to make the matter public(because of the reason I said above), communication took place between EC members (respected his privacy and maintained confidentiality), told Peter the basis of EC decision, one of the pillars
of justice is to give reason for the decision , and requested him to resign from EC (which is pragmatic justice, clear instructions on what we wanted him to do). Please note that nothing is final at this stage. </div>
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<div>You should also know that this issue was raised over a year ago when some of us were not on the Executive Committee and Peter was warned about this. We did not make a hasty decision. </div>
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<div>What I have also been hearing is whether Peter had the chance to provide evidence or defend himself. The decision to ask
<i>Peter to resign from EC </i>(note that he was asked to resign from EC not NCUC)<i> </i>has been made primarily based on one fact that cannot be challenged nor defended: Peter is a full-time employee of a registry. Based on our interpretation of the bylaws
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<div>Some may dispute our decision and might disagree that the fact that Peter works for a registry and is in a leadership role at NCUC do not hamper our integrity. I think it is necessary for us to discuss things with our members and inform them of the decisions
which I have tried to actively do and we need to listen to our members and members should be able to challenge us. However, in the end, EC has to make a decision. At the moment the mechanism to challenge and hold the EC accountable as Milton said is through
elections. If the majority of members are concerned with the way EC makes decisions then they can vote against them. If it gets to the point that members do not see elections as a sufficient tool or optimal, some other measures maybe considered. </div>
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<div>EC should and we try our best to take fair decisions. </div>
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<div>The next step for us (EC) is to have a meeting with Peter. This meeting will be transcribed and notes will be taken. </div>
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<div>Just if Peter resigns (he has not - as you said) the Article VII will do. But if, there is a response/explanation from Peter and no resignation, I don't think the Article VII will do. I could be wrong though. Also, what is going to be the tool for taking
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<div>Let me clarify that we have requested Peter to resign from NCUC EC but Peter has not resigned yet, so we are yet to take the next steps. </div>
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<div>NCUC Bylaws have predicted processes in case of a member leaves office (Article VII) .According to Article VII(section E), as we have less than 6 months to the EC elections, no early elections are needed and the chair may appoint a temporary replacement. </div>
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<div>I am sharing with you an important and extraordinary announcement. Last week the NCUC EC agreed to ask one of its members, Peter Green, to resign. It was not an easy act or one that we took lightly, and we had to think about it for some time. Our action
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<div>Peter is an employee of CONAC, a TLD registry associated with the government of China. As a CONAC employee, he is an active member of and participant in the Registry Stakeholder Group. It has been a longstanding principle of NCUC membership eligibility
rules that people or organizations that are members of another SG or constituency in the GNSO cannot also be members of NCUC (bylaws III.3). This is done to prevent other interest groups from attempting to control or unduly shape our Constituency, which is
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<div>Peter has been actively working on behalf of the Registry SG for some time, even as he has been serving on our Executive Committee. This is evident from articles such as this</div>
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working group such as this <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://community.icann.org/display/S1SF/Drafting+Team">
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<div>We note with concern that Peter's Conflict of Interest statement when running for election to the NCUC EC failed to mention his employment at CONAC. </div>
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<div>I wanted you to be aware of this issue and to understand the basis for our actions.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Peter (Zuan Zhang):</div>
<div dir="ltr">For some time we (the undersigned representatives of the Executive Committee) have received complaints or expressions of concern about your eligibility for membership in the Noncommercial Stakeholders Group. The EC has investigated this matter
and has come to the conclusion that you are ineligible for NCSG membership and thus must resign from the NCUC Executive Committee immediately.</div>
<div dir="ltr">We want to make it clear that this is not caused by any misconduct on your part; it is purely a matter of applying our eligibility rules. Your contribution to our EC has been exemplary, but we cannot continue to contradict our membership rules.
This would open the door to many other ineligible members and possible abuses. We hope you can accept this decision in a good spirit.</div>
<div dir="ltr">Section 2.2.2 of the NCSG charter specifically excludes from membership "Organizations that are represented in ICANN through another Supporting Organization."</div>
<div dir="ltr">Section 2.2.5 of the NCSG charter makes it clear that individuals are eligible only if they are "not represented in ICANN through membership in another Supporting Organization or GNSO Stakeholder Group."</div>
<div dir="ltr">As an employee of CONAC, you are a member of the Registry stakeholder group and have played an active role representing CONAC in the Registry Stakeholder Group (RSG). CONAC is a domain name registry, which has its own Stakeholder Group, where
your affiliation with CONAC as an employee is persistent and strong. We understand that before CONAC was a TLD registry, its employees were admitted into NCSG because there was no other place for them to be represented and there was less of a conflict of interest.
But that time has passed; CONAC is now a full-fledged TLD registry operator and its policy interests are represented in the RSG.</div>
<div dir="ltr">We thank you for your prior participation in our group and encourage you to stay involved in the GNSO via the Registry Stakeholder Group.</div>
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