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Sorry all for taking so long to wade into this, I have been off the grid at a security conference for 10 days.</div>
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First of all with full disclosure I was one of the people who raised this concern to the EC when I discovered that Peter was participating in ICANN policy development processes as a paid employee of a registry, specifically the Spec 11 drafting team, which
I was excluded from on the basis that it was a closed group with the only eligible membership being Ry and Rr participants. I felt that this was a serious concern for us and it was one mentioned to me as a followup by RySG members in Helsinki that it was a
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I will quote a passage from Milton earlier in this thread and lend my full support to it:</div>
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<div><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: -webkit-standard; font-size: medium;"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>"No, read the rule. It says that you cannot be a MEMBER of another constituency. It says (H.ii) "an individual
internet user who is primarily concerned with the public interest <span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">
</span>aspects of domain name policy, and is not represented in ICANN through membership in another Supporting Organization or GNSO Stakeholder Group. The idea is clear: no double-dipping in representation. It discourages attempts by other interest groups
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<div>If we do not address conflicts of interest when they arise then we are failing ourselves, and with respect to Kathys position that the world is changing with new gTLDs that may be the case, but for the moment we are operating under the current bylaws with
are clear. If people want to open NCUC membership up to double dipping in this way then they are free to make that proposal to the membership via a charter amendment and gather the requisite support.</div>
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<div>Lets not make this a witch hunt everyone, a clear breach of the bylaws has been observed by the EC and they have taken action on that. This is not personal, this is not against a vendetta or agenda, its observing a process that is clear. If we are to now
start arguing over this we have some serious internal problems over the accountability of this constituency, we cannot allow conflicts like this to stand and expect to make it through WS2 SOAC accountability discussions with any form of credibility intact.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Zakir Syed <<a href="mailto:zakirbinrehman@yahoo.com">zakirbinrehman@yahoo.com</a>><br>
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<div>It is really sad that Peter Green has allowed us to fool our time since Rafik sent that mail. I am sure he reads us, so why mute.</div>
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<div>I have asked the same question Zakir ask before and did not seem to get an answer.</div>
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<div>I think EC has to take another decision urgently to save us from these quagmire.</div>
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<div>Hi Seun, thats a good gesture and is appreciated. While we are receiving long emails on this very issues from our colleagues on the list, and are not sure about the final decision. Do you really think the NCUC should compromise on its "longstanding principle
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<div>I am sharing with you an important and extraordinary announcement. Last week the NCUC EC agreed to ask one of its members, Peter Green, to resign. It was not an easy act or one that we took lightly, and we had to think about it for some time. Our action
was necessary because of an undeclared conflict of interest and a clash with our membership eligibility rules.</div>
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<div>Peter is an employee of CONAC, a TLD registry associated with the government of China. As a CONAC employee, he is an active member of and participant in the Registry Stakeholder Group. It has been a longstanding principle of NCUC membership eligibility
rules that people or organizations that are members of another SG or constituency in the GNSO cannot also be members of NCUC (bylaws III.3). This is done to prevent other interest groups from attempting to control or unduly shape our Constituency, which is
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<div>Peter has been actively working on behalf of the Registry SG for some time, even as he has been serving on our Executive Committee. This is evident from articles such as this</div>
<div><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="http://www.chinagov.cn/english/News/CONACNews/201509/t20150924_281168.html" target="_blank">http://www.chinagov.cn/english /News/CONACNews/201509/t201509 24_281168.html</a> and from records of the registry constituency
working group such as this <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="https://community.icann.org/display/S1SF/Drafting+Team" target="_blank">
https://community.icann.org/di splay/S1SF/Drafting+Team</a> </div>
<div>We note with concern that Peter's Conflict of Interest statement when running for election to the NCUC EC failed to mention his employment at CONAC. </div>
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<div>I wanted you to be aware of this issue and to understand the basis for our actions.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Peter (Zuan Zhang):</div>
<div dir="ltr">For some time we (the undersigned representatives of the Executive Committee) have received complaints or expressions of concern about your eligibility for membership in the Noncommercial Stakeholders Group. The EC has investigated this matter
and has come to the conclusion that you are ineligible for NCSG membership and thus must resign from the NCUC Executive Committee immediately.</div>
<div dir="ltr">We want to make it clear that this is not caused by any misconduct on your part; it is purely a matter of applying our eligibility rules. Your contribution to our EC has been exemplary, but we cannot continue to contradict our membership rules.
This would open the door to many other ineligible members and possible abuses. We hope you can accept this decision in a good spirit.</div>
<div dir="ltr">Section 2.2.2 of the NCSG charter specifically excludes from membership "Organizations that are represented in ICANN through another Supporting Organization."</div>
<div dir="ltr">Section 2.2.5 of the NCSG charter makes it clear that individuals are eligible only if they are "not represented in ICANN through membership in another Supporting Organization or GNSO Stakeholder Group."</div>
<div dir="ltr">As an employee of CONAC, you are a member of the Registry stakeholder group and have played an active role representing CONAC in the Registry Stakeholder Group (RSG). CONAC is a domain name registry, which has its own Stakeholder Group, where
your affiliation with CONAC as an employee is persistent and strong. We understand that before CONAC was a TLD registry, its employees were admitted into NCSG because there was no other place for them to be represented and there was less of a conflict of interest.
But that time has passed; CONAC is now a full-fledged TLD registry operator and its policy interests are represented in the RSG.</div>
<div dir="ltr">We thank you for your prior participation in our group and encourage you to stay involved in the GNSO via the Registry Stakeholder Group.</div>
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