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    I agree with those who think it would be a mistake to reject this
    out of hand.<br>
    We are under resourced and so <u>we need to make of this what we
      want and need</u>.<br>
    I can for example see merit in these three elements of the proposal:<br>
    <br>
    <i>Assistance with “front-end” research on the specific ICANN issues</i><i><br>
    </i><i>Participate in community calls/online chats on the specific
      issue where"position-setting" is focus--keep notes of the
      call/chat and prepare reportfor circulation to community members;</i><i><br>
    </i><i>Preparation of “issue overview” documents identifying and
      assessing keyelementsand impact on the community;</i><br>
    <br>
    But I am sure as Rafik and Bill suggest that we can come back with a
    proposal that we would find acceptable and more importantly would be
    of use to us.<br>
    <br>
    Matthew<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/26/2016 10:42 AM, Rafik Dammak
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAH5sThnPhdfDpTOHX9Lxfc9oAWbS4SPJZKgCnSpKvc10D+rKDw@mail.gmail.com"
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        <div class="gmail_extra">Hi everyone,</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">it is always to have healthy discussion
          and to see what path we can follow.</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">but first , better to start with
          context and facts. This proposal comes after earlier
          discussion with staff, with regard to increasing workload for
          policy development and also about engaging our members and
          having them in board. several parts of GNSO community
          expressed a lot of concerns and were looking for more support
          to alleviate the burden. Another point, hearing many newcomers
          there were a lot of requests about having briefings,
          summaries, compilation of previous NCUC positions etc so they
          can get on board more easier. Those kind of request can be
          hardly met by our already overloaded volunteers and we have to
          find a sustainable solution.</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">The discussion took more substance in
          last summer by having an ICANN staff to manage the process and
           with requests about feedback and, what kind of policy support
          can be provided. </div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">Knowing the reservation about 3rd
          parties getting involved in drafting our comments, I made
          clear that is definitely a no-go. other constituencies made
          the same point. Another requirement was to be able to select
          the hired resource that we can trust and that cannot be a
          shared person between different groups. my understanding is
          that we will be involved directly  in hiring process.</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">For clarification, WBC won't be
          involved in policy support per se, its role as consulting firm
          is limited to help to design this pilot project with staff and
          deliver a proposal to the community. I highlight the term
          pilot, which means the ability to experiment, assess and
          decide to go forward or not. the pilot project may or may not
          be extended i.e. getting budget for next years. From our side,
          we can decide to renew the experience if we are not happy,
          there is no commitment from our side. </div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">to make more rationale assessment, I am
          attaching the proposals and questionnaire. the former describe
          the program while the latter is to be filled with we think
          useful for us. when I checked it, I clearly excluded any item
          related to drafting comment.</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">At NCUC EC level, we discussed this and
          we decided that we should explore different proposals and
          alternatives on how we can support policy development and our
          members. Just bluntly  rejecting won't be bring any benefit
          and we have to work on: increasing our policy capabilities and
          engaging our members. We are trying to take a more proactive
          approach here. so your inputs and suggestions would be helpful
          for the EC to work on that.</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"> <br>
          Best Regards,</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">Rafik</div>
        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
          <div class="gmail_quote">2016-04-26 18:17 GMT+09:00 Ayden
            Férdeline <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span>:<br>
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                        <div><font>Thank you to everyone who has shared
                            their perspective on this issue. </font></div>
                        <div><font><br>
                          </font></div>
                        <div><font>In Marrakech, we communicated to the
                            Board that the NCUC needs to build its
                            capacity to absorb an increased, growing,
                            and specialised workload. I am so pleased
                            that our calls have been heard and we are
                            being offered new resources to increase our
                            participation in ICANN activities.</font></div>
                        <div><font><br>
                          </font></div>
                        <div><font>If ICANN would like to provide the
                            NCUC with on-going financial support so that
                            we can periodically bring consultants of our
                            own choosing on board to assist with our
                            policy work, I have no objections. </font></div>
                        <div><font><br>
                            What I am less comfortable with is the idea
                            of delegating our agenda setting powers to
                            Staff. If we allow Staff to 'position set'
                            or to identify key areas of concern, we may
                            loose sight of what is really at play. There
                            way well be value in having Staff assistance
                            in summarising documents or clarifying the
                            history of an issue, though I am tempted to
                            push back and to ask why this is not already
                            happening in working groups? If the answer
                            is, it is, but these summaries or histories
                            contain biases - why do we expect a
                            different outcome here?</font></div>
                        <div><font><br>
                          </font></div>
                        <div><font>We do need additional support and I
                            am so very grateful that ICANN is trying to
                            help us. But we need the right aid. Rather
                            than rejecting this assistance outright, I
                            would prefer that we agree to take part in
                            the pilot programme but set our own
                            parametres around what support we will
                            accept and what support we find unsuitable. </font></div>
                        <div><font><br>
                          </font></div>
                        <div><font>I would certainly feel more
                            comfortable hiring an existing NCUC or NCSG
                            member - someone whose values align with our
                            own, who is trusted, and who is already on
                            board with our ethos - to do this work. As
                            we grow we need to accept that there is a
                            place for compensated policy advisors to aid
                            us in representing the needs of our 500+
                            members. But THAT is key — they have to
                            represent us.</font></div>
                        <div><font><br>
                          </font></div>
                        <div><font>Ayden</font></div>
                        <div><font><br>
                          </font></div>
                        <div><font>P.S. 100 hours every four months
                            sounds inadequate to me. I would like us to
                            have 2 or 3 FTEs.</font></div>
                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <div class="gmail_extra"> <br>
                                <div class="gmail_quote"> On Tue, Apr
                                  26, 2016 9:33 AM, Stephanie Perrin <span
                                    dir="ltr"> <a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"
                                      target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a></a></span>
                                  wrote:<br>
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                                    <p><font size="+2"><font
                                          face="Lucida Grande">For
                                          someone new to NCUC, Sana, I
                                          think your comments are very
                                          astute.  It is a central
                                          conundrum.</font></font></p>
                                    <p><font size="+2"><font
                                          face="Lucida Grande">Kind
                                          regards, Stephanie Perrin</font></font><br>
                                    </p>
                                    <br>
                                    <div>On 2016-04-26 7:12, Sana Ali
                                      wrote:<br>
                                    </div>
                                    <blockquote type="cite"> Dear Ed,
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>I would like to respond to
                                        some of your comments with a few
                                        questions, without commenting on
                                        the greater issue of whether
                                        paid positions for doing NCUC
                                        work ought to be created. </div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>You consider your work at the
                                        NCUC public service, and you are
                                        well respected for it. However,
                                        one of the chronic problems the
                                        NCUC has had, is its reliance on
                                        the same people, the “natives”
                                        as they are referred to, to do
                                        the bulk of the work (or paid
                                        civil society reps as you said).
                                        This is an outcome of a steep
                                        learning curve and heavy initial
                                        investment to understand the
                                        processes and ecosystem before
                                        being able to contribute
                                        effectively. Naturally, this
                                        scares many people away. </div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>Something to consider,
                                        perhaps, is what makes the NCUC
                                        a valuable commitment and such a
                                        worthwhile investment for a
                                        complete newcomer whose aim is
                                        to perform “public service”? </div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>It is rare that you will find
                                        an individual with no previous
                                        stake in ICANN, who is not
                                        looking to gain anything (i.e.,
                                        experience in the form of what
                                        is essentially an unpaid
                                        internship, a stepping stone for
                                        a career change, a networking
                                        opportunity, a holiday, etc),
                                        and is willing to do the legwork
                                        to catch up on what is going on.
                                        Similarly, it will be rare to
                                        find someone who already has the
                                        expertise that makes the initial
                                        investment and learning curve
                                        less intimidating and also has
                                        no previous stake in ICANN. This
                                        is because in the grand scheme
                                        of things, neither of these
                                        people will think that the most
                                        effective way for them to
                                        perform a public service or make
                                        impact is by way of putting work
                                        into the NCUC. Not only in light
                                        of the large scale availability
                                        of public service opportunity
                                        outside of ICANN, but also in
                                        light of NCUC’s unique and
                                        unfortunately quite weak
                                        positioning within the ICANN
                                        ecosystem. If there is serious
                                        resistance to financially
                                        incentivizing people who might
                                        want to participate in NCUC
                                        work, then I think we definitely
                                        have to in some way address
                                        these two structural barriers
                                        that our community faces. To
                                        ignore them, while rejecting any
                                        kind of financial incentivizing,
                                        I’m afraid, would only serve to
                                        hold us back against some very
                                        strong (and well-financed)
                                        opponents. I question the value
                                        of championing purity over
                                        purpose, while greatly admiring
                                        yours (purity, that is).</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>Having said that, hats off
                                        and much respect to the <font
                                          face="Arial, Helvetica,
                                          sans-serif">four very tired,
                                          overworked volunteers.</font></div>
                                      <div><font face="Arial, Helvetica,
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                                        </font></div>
                                      <div>Warm wishes,<br>
                                        <div>
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                                            <div>Sana Ali</div>
                                            <div><a
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                                                href="mailto:sana.ali2030@gmail.com"
                                                target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sana.ali2030@gmail.com">sana.ali2030@gmail.com</a></a></div>
                                            <div><a
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                                                href="https://ca.linkedin.com/in/sanaali2030"
                                                target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://ca.linkedin.com/in/sanaali2030">https://ca.linkedin.com/in/sanaali2030</a></a></div>
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                                        <div>
                                          <blockquote type="cite">
                                            <div>On Apr 26, 2016, at
                                              12:24 AM, Edward Morris
                                              <<a
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                                              wrote:</div>
                                            <br>
                                            <div><span
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                                                  <div> <br>
                                                    Kathy,<br>
                                                     <br>
                                                    Last night four very
                                                    tired, overworked
                                                    volunteers were on a
                                                    call to develop a
                                                    public comment on
                                                    ICANN’s FY17
                                                    Operating Plan and
                                                    Budget. Five hundred
                                                    NCSG members were
                                                    not on this call. In
                                                    my view the solution
                                                    to our staffing
                                                    problem is not to
                                                    turn policy research
                                                    and development over
                                                    to ICANN but rather
                                                    to try to make this
                                                    group work as it
                                                    should by involving
                                                    more of our members
                                                    in policy work.<br>
                                                     <br>
                                                    Let’s take a look at
                                                    this program. ICANN
                                                    proposes helping the
                                                    NCUC  “with support
                                                    for the research,
                                                    development,
                                                    collaboration,
                                                    drafting and editing
                                                    of documents for
                                                    submission within
                                                    the policy
                                                    development
                                                    processes of ICANN”.
                                                    By support they mean
                                                    having a staffer
                                                    research, write and
                                                    direct policy calls.
                                                     <br>
                                                     <br>
                                                    Who is this staffer?
                                                    Leading experts in
                                                    the fields we deal
                                                    with? No. ICANN
                                                    proposes giving us
                                                    support by staffers
                                                    that fit this
                                                    description:  “a
                                                    Master or Ph.D
                                                    student, or recent
                                                    graduates in one of
                                                    the following areas
                                                    would be most
                                                    preferred: computer
                                                    security, computer
                                                    science, information
                                                    science, engineering
                                                    and public policy”.<br>
                                                     <br>
                                                    Let me get this
                                                    straight: members of
                                                    the NCUC who are
                                                    students, professors
                                                    or academics in
                                                    these fields are
                                                    still expected to
                                                    donate their time
                                                    for free doing
                                                    policy at ICANN
                                                    while we have young
                                                    people in or just
                                                    out of school
                                                    getting paid to do
                                                    roughly the same
                                                    work?<br>
                                                     <br>
                                                    It gets better. As
                                                    David Olive writes:
                                                    “We would also
                                                    welcome your input
                                                    on any specific
                                                    individuals you
                                                    might recommend to
                                                    serve in a test
                                                    support role for the
                                                    community. ICANN
                                                    procurement
                                                    principles would
                                                    prevent someone from
                                                    the same community
                                                    helping out within
                                                    that community, but
                                                    if you are aware of
                                                    any skilled writers
                                                    and researchers who
                                                    are interested in a
                                                    temporary
                                                    assignment, please
                                                    let me know.”.<br>
                                                     <br>
                                                    So anyone in the
                                                    NCUC, any of our
                                                    many Masters or PhD
                                                    students currently
                                                    donating your time:
                                                    Let David know you
                                                    want to get paid for
                                                    your work in ICANN.
                                                    Sure, you’ll have to
                                                    work for another
                                                    constituency or
                                                    stakeholder group
                                                    but at least you’ll
                                                    get paid. Who cares
                                                    about your values or
                                                    personal beliefs?<br>
                                                     <br>
                                                    I consider my work
                                                    here to be public
                                                    service. It does not
                                                    and will never
                                                    appear on my resume.
                                                    Others are here as
                                                    representatives of
                                                    their civil society
                                                    organization. They
                                                    do get paid for
                                                    their work here,
                                                    albeit indirectly.
                                                    Still, there very
                                                    much is a volunteer
                                                    ethos in the NCUC.
                                                    Going down the road
                                                    proposed by ICANN
                                                    corporate will
                                                    undoubtedly kill
                                                    that spirit. I’ve
                                                    seen it happen in
                                                    political campaigns
                                                    where paid and
                                                    volunteer staff
                                                    often run into
                                                    problems working
                                                    with each other in
                                                    harmony and void of
                                                    jealousy. The
                                                    volunteers resent
                                                    those being paid.<br>
                                                     <br>
                                                    As Milton has
                                                    written, we haven’t
                                                    worked so hard to
                                                    restructure this
                                                    corporation into one
                                                    where the ultimate
                                                    power is community
                                                    based to now allow
                                                    staff to better
                                                    manage the
                                                    community.<br>
                                                     <br>
                                                    I guess I can put
                                                    this in more
                                                    personal terms:  If
                                                    we are going to
                                                    start paying people
                                                    to do what I now do
                                                    for free, don’t
                                                    expect me to do it
                                                    for free anymore.
                                                    Yes, ICANN’s support
                                                    in this area could
                                                    help us but ONLY by
                                                    agreeing to contract
                                                    with our own people
                                                    to provide these
                                                    services. As it
                                                    stands now the only
                                                    people not eligible
                                                    to work in these new
                                                    roles for the NCUC
                                                    are NCUC members.
                                                    Yet our members are
                                                    free to work for
                                                    other constituencies
                                                    and stakeholder
                                                    groups. Does this
                                                    somehow make sense
                                                    to anyone?<br>
                                                     <br>
                                                    Yes, last night four
                                                    tired, overworked
                                                    NCUC volunteers
                                                    worked on a NCSG
                                                    public comment on
                                                    the FY17 Budget.
                                                    I’ve seen a draft of
                                                    ALAC’s public
                                                    comments, written
                                                    with staff
                                                    assistance. I’ve
                                                    seen the RSSAC
                                                    comments. Our public
                                                    comment will be
                                                    superior to those,
                                                    as our comments
                                                    often are. That’s
                                                    because of the
                                                    talent and
                                                    commitment of the
                                                    volunteer members of
                                                    the NCUC.<br>
                                                     <br>
                                                    We do not need ICANN
                                                    corporate to pay non
                                                    NCUC member students
                                                    they select to do
                                                    our policy
                                                    development for us.
                                                    We certainly could
                                                    use help and
                                                    resources in this
                                                    area but not this
                                                    type of help. But if
                                                    we decide to go in
                                                    this direction...</div>
                                                  <div> </div>
                                                  <div>I wonder if I
                                                    really could get
                                                    hired and help the
                                                    IPC write policy
                                                    documents porting
                                                    the new gTLD RPM's
                                                    over to legacy
                                                    gTLD's. Personally,
                                                    I think that's a
                                                    terrible idea and as
                                                    a NCUC volunteer
                                                    I've been prepared
                                                    to fight it but I do
                                                    need to pay bills
                                                    so...so much for my
                                                    public service
                                                    ethos.</div>
                                                  <div> </div>
                                                  <div>This program is a
                                                    poorly designed bad
                                                    idea.<br>
                                                     <br>
                                                    Kind Regards,<br>
                                                     <br>
                                                    Ed</div>
                                                </div>
                                                <div> </div>
                                                <div> </div>
                                                <div> </div>
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                                                <div><span
                                                    style="font-family:tahoma,arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><b>From</b>:
                                                    “Kathy Kleiman” <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com"
                                                      target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a></a>><br>
                                                    <b>Sent</b>:
                                                    Tuesday, April 26,
                                                    2016 3:38 AM<br>
                                                    <b>To</b>: <a
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href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a></a><br>
                                                    <b>Subject</b>: Re:
                                                    [NCUC-DISCUSS] Pilot
                                                    Program</span>
                                                  <div> </div>
                                                  I've been out of town,
                                                  but if this offer is
                                                  being made to all
                                                  constituencies, and we
                                                  turn it down, won't we
                                                  potentially be at an
                                                  even greater
                                                  disadvantage than we
                                                  already are? We are
                                                  already volunteer
                                                  people in NCUC working
                                                  across the table from
                                                  people largely paid to
                                                  be here from other
                                                  constituencies. If
                                                  they now get paid
                                                  staff to write their
                                                  comments (presumably
                                                  which they have
                                                  designed and drafted),
                                                  doesn't our
                                                  disadvantage become
                                                  that much worse?
                                                  Aren't we that much
                                                  further behind?<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  I agree that this
                                                  person does not seem a
                                                  good fit for our
                                                  positions, our work
                                                  and our views. Of
                                                  course, we would want
                                                  someone who is! But
                                                  that's different than
                                                  rejecting the
                                                  program.  With so many
                                                  comments to which we
                                                  are Not responding and
                                                  so much work we are
                                                  Not doing, it would be
                                                  good to have someone
                                                  who could turn our
                                                  notes into a draft --
                                                  to spin straw into
                                                  gold :-).<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Best, Kathy<br>
                                                   
                                                  <div>On 4/25/2016 3:23
                                                    PM, Sonigitu Ekpe
                                                    wrote:</div>
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                                                        <div>
                                                          <div>Dear All,<br>
                                                           </div>
                                                          I think after
                                                          studying the
                                                          write up, it
                                                          is worth
                                                          supporting.<br>
                                                           </div>
                                                        My 50cents, is
                                                        to give in my
                                                        support for the
                                                        pilot program.<br>
                                                         </div>
                                                      Thank you.</div>
                                                    <div> 
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">Sonigitu
                                                          Ekpe<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Mobile +234
                                                          805 0232 469 
                                                            Office + 234
                                                          802 751 0179<br>
                                                           “LIFE is all
                                                          about love and
                                                          thanksgiving”<br>
                                                           </div>
                                                        </div>
                                                      </div>
                                                       
                                                      <div>On Mon, Apr
                                                        25, 2016 at 6:13
                                                        AM, Edward
                                                        Morris <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:egmorris1@toast.net" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:egmorris1@toast.net">egmorris1@toast.net</a></a>></span>
                                                        wrote:
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                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">Hello
                                                          everybody,</span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">The
                                                          NCUC EC will
                                                          be discussing
                                                          today whether
                                                          to participate
                                                          in an ICANN
                                                          pilot program
                                                          designed to
                                                          offer
                                                          assistance
                                                          with policy
                                                          research and
                                                          document
                                                          drafting to
                                                          selected
                                                          constituencies
                                                          and
                                                          stakeholder
                                                          groups. I echo
                                                          the views
                                                          expressed by
                                                          Milton on the
                                                          NCUC EC
                                                          mailing list
                                                          when he writes
                                                          “I want to
                                                          express my
                                                          strongest
                                                          opposition to
                                                          this entire
                                                          program”.</span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">It
                                                          is tempting.
                                                          We are
                                                          launching
                                                          three major
                                                          pdp's, some of
                                                          us are
                                                          dramatically
                                                          overworked, we
                                                          sure need
                                                          help. But not
                                                          from ICANN,
                                                          not in this
                                                          way, not now.</span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">If
                                                          ICANN wants to
                                                          support the
                                                          NCUC in policy
                                                          development
                                                          (of course,
                                                          the NCUC
                                                          traditionally
                                                          does not do
                                                          policy to any
                                                          great extent,
                                                          a mistake in
                                                          my
                                                          view)  there
                                                          are ways to
                                                          assist us with
                                                          resources. The
                                                          key is control
                                                          of these
                                                          resources.
                                                          This program
                                                          IMHO does not
                                                          empower the
                                                          NCUC;  if
                                                          successful it
                                                          could make us
                                                          somewhat
                                                          dependent upon
                                                          ICANN for
                                                          assistance
                                                          with <strong>policy</strong>.
                                                          Friends, if we
                                                          can't research
                                                          and draft and
                                                          create policy
                                                          positions
                                                          ourselves then
                                                          we don't
                                                          deserve to
                                                          exist. </span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">Three
                                                          years ago I
                                                          was opposed to
                                                          accepting
                                                          ICANN's offer
                                                          of
                                                          administrative
                                                          help. It was
                                                          not that I
                                                          thought hiring
                                                          someone (who
                                                          turned out to
                                                          be MaryAm) to
                                                          assist with
                                                          the tasks
                                                          volunteers
                                                          like Robin
                                                          were then
                                                          spending  far
                                                          too much time
                                                          doing would
                                                          doom us to
                                                          “company
                                                          union” status.
                                                          My opposition
                                                          was based upon
                                                          the fear that
                                                          once we went
                                                          down this
                                                          slippery slope
                                                          there was no
                                                          turning back.
                                                          My fear is
                                                          being realised
                                                          with this
                                                          program.</span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">In
                                                          our proposed
                                                          response we
                                                          seem to be
                                                          asking ICANN
                                                          for some of
                                                          this type of
                                                          support:</span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">-
                                                          assistance
                                                          with front end
                                                          issue research</span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">-
                                                          research on
                                                          the background
                                                          of the
                                                          specific issue
                                                          being
                                                          addressed</span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">-
                                                          join community
                                                          calls/chats
                                                          where
                                                          “position
                                                          setting” is
                                                          focus</span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">This
                                                          program is
                                                          bering
                                                          developed by
                                                          an ICANN
                                                          contractor WBC
                                                          Global. Dan
                                                          O'Neill is the
                                                          Principal of
                                                          the firm and
                                                          is the one
                                                          working on
                                                          this program
                                                          with ICANN.
                                                          Dan's
                                                          biography
                                                          states:</span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"><font
color="#666666" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">As the
                                                          principal of
                                                          the firm, he
                                                          offers public
                                                          policy,
                                                          political and
                                                          strategic
                                                          business
                                                          advice to
                                                          Fortune 500
                                                          and other
                                                          companies,
                                                          with a focus
                                                          on
                                                          international
                                                          trade, market
                                                          access and
                                                          intellectual
                                                          property
                                                          rights.  He
                                                          represent
                                                          companies
                                                          before
                                                          Congress, the
                                                          White House
                                                          and federal
                                                          agencies on a
                                                          diverse set of
                                                          public policy
                                                          matters
                                                          including
                                                          investment,
                                                          international
                                                          trade
                                                          disputes,
                                                          international
                                                          tax, custom
                                                          issues as well
                                                          as economic
                                                          sanctions
                                                          issues.</font><br
style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
                                                          <font
                                                          color="#666666"
                                                          face="Verdana,
                                                          Arial,
                                                          Helvetica,
                                                          sans-serif"> </font><br
style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
                                                          <font
                                                          color="#666666"
                                                          face="Verdana,
                                                          Arial,
                                                          Helvetica,
                                                          sans-serif">Recent
                                                          activities on
                                                          behalf of
                                                          clients
                                                          include:
                                                          advising on
                                                          the
                                                          Trans-Pacific
                                                          Partnership
                                                          trade
                                                          agreement on
                                                          negotiations
                                                          impacting
                                                          intellectual
                                                          property
                                                          rights,
                                                          investment and
                                                          market access;
                                                          lobby in
                                                          support of
                                                          permanent
                                                          normal trade
                                                          relations
                                                          (PNTR) for
                                                          Russia;
                                                          strategizing
                                                          and lobbying
                                                          for companies
                                                          having market
                                                          access and IPR
                                                          issues in
                                                          China;
                                                          advising on
                                                          WTO
                                                          negotiations
                                                          on expansion
                                                          of the
                                                          Information
                                                          Technology
                                                          Agreement and
                                                          renewed effort
                                                          to secure an
                                                          agreement on
                                                          Services; and
                                                          provide advice
                                                          on the use of
                                                          US trade
                                                          preference
                                                          programs for
                                                          investment
                                                          issues in
                                                          developing
                                                          countries.</font></span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"><font
color="#666666" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">He also
                                                          plays a
                                                          leading role
                                                          in business
                                                          community
                                                          activity with
                                                          UN Internet
                                                          Governance
                                                          Forum (IGF).</font></span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">This
                                                          is not someone
                                                          I want
                                                          anywhere near
                                                          our
                                                          Constituency.
                                                          Mr. O'Neill
                                                          spends his
                                                          professional
                                                          life
                                                          advocating for
                                                          positions and
                                                          organisations
                                                          that are
                                                          traditionally
                                                          opposed to
                                                          that which the
                                                          NCUC supports.
                                                          He's not
                                                          somebody with
                                                          our interests
                                                          at heart.</span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">If
                                                          ICANN wants to
                                                          support the
                                                          NCUC in this
                                                          area I have no
                                                          problem with
                                                          the NCUC
                                                          accepting
                                                          ICANN's
                                                          financial
                                                          support:
                                                          provided we
                                                          have complete
                                                          independence
                                                          in selecting
                                                          the hire and
                                                          defining the
                                                          job. There are
                                                          many in the
                                                          nonprofit
                                                          sector, many
                                                          public
                                                          interest
                                                          organizations,
                                                          we could
                                                          contract with
                                                          for policy
                                                          help if we had
                                                          the resources
                                                          and freedom to
                                                          do so. We can
                                                          do better than
                                                          joining a
                                                          “pilot
                                                          program” being
                                                          organised by
                                                          someone who
                                                          has a “leading
                                                          role in
                                                          business
                                                          community
                                                          activity”
                                                          within the
                                                          IGF. In fact,
                                                          instead of
                                                          joining this
                                                          program we
                                                          should be
                                                          questioning
                                                          why WBC was
                                                          hired.</span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">One
                                                          other problem:
                                                          If ICANN is
                                                          going to pay
                                                          people to do
                                                          some of our
                                                          policy work
                                                          then why
                                                          should
                                                          anyone do
                                                          other parts of
                                                          our policy
                                                          work for free?
                                                          When I run
                                                          political
                                                          campaigns I
                                                          keep paid
                                                          canvassers
                                                          completely
                                                          separate from
                                                          volunteer
                                                          canvassers.
                                                          I've found you
                                                          lose the
                                                          volunteers if
                                                          you don't.
                                                          Same thing
                                                          here. If you
                                                          look at the
                                                          details of the
                                                          proposal there
                                                          is even a
                                                          chance the
                                                          help provided
                                                          may be an
                                                          active member
                                                          of another
                                                          part of the
                                                          ICANN
                                                          community.
                                                          Amazing.</span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
                                                          <div><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">I
                                                          join Milton in
                                                          hoping the EC
                                                          rejects this.
                                                          We do need
                                                          help in this
                                                          area but not
                                                          under these
                                                          terms. Our
                                                          independence
                                                          is very much
                                                          at stake.
                                                          Please, EC,
                                                          keep ICANN and
                                                          WBC Global
                                                          away from
                                                          direct
                                                          involvement in
                                                           the
                                                          noncommercial policy
                                                          develkopmnent
                                                          process. Do
                                                          not go further
                                                          down this
                                                          slope leading
                                                          to dependence
                                                          upon ICANN for
                                                          all that we
                                                          do.</span></div>
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                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">Best,</span></div>
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                                                          style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
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