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I agree with those who think it would be a mistake to reject this
out of hand.<br>
We are under resourced and so <u>we need to make of this what we
want and need</u>.<br>
I can for example see merit in these three elements of the proposal:<br>
<br>
<i>Assistance with “front-end” research on the specific ICANN issues</i><i><br>
</i><i>Participate in community calls/online chats on the specific
issue where"position-setting" is focus--keep notes of the
call/chat and prepare reportfor circulation to community members;</i><i><br>
</i><i>Preparation of “issue overview” documents identifying and
assessing keyelementsand impact on the community;</i><br>
<br>
But I am sure as Rafik and Bill suggest that we can come back with a
proposal that we would find acceptable and more importantly would be
of use to us.<br>
<br>
Matthew<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/26/2016 10:42 AM, Rafik Dammak
wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Hi everyone,</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">it is always to have healthy discussion
and to see what path we can follow.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">but first , better to start with
context and facts. This proposal comes after earlier
discussion with staff, with regard to increasing workload for
policy development and also about engaging our members and
having them in board. several parts of GNSO community
expressed a lot of concerns and were looking for more support
to alleviate the burden. Another point, hearing many newcomers
there were a lot of requests about having briefings,
summaries, compilation of previous NCUC positions etc so they
can get on board more easier. Those kind of request can be
hardly met by our already overloaded volunteers and we have to
find a sustainable solution.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">The discussion took more substance in
last summer by having an ICANN staff to manage the process and
with requests about feedback and, what kind of policy support
can be provided. </div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Knowing the reservation about 3rd
parties getting involved in drafting our comments, I made
clear that is definitely a no-go. other constituencies made
the same point. Another requirement was to be able to select
the hired resource that we can trust and that cannot be a
shared person between different groups. my understanding is
that we will be involved directly in hiring process.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">For clarification, WBC won't be
involved in policy support per se, its role as consulting firm
is limited to help to design this pilot project with staff and
deliver a proposal to the community. I highlight the term
pilot, which means the ability to experiment, assess and
decide to go forward or not. the pilot project may or may not
be extended i.e. getting budget for next years. From our side,
we can decide to renew the experience if we are not happy,
there is no commitment from our side. </div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">to make more rationale assessment, I am
attaching the proposals and questionnaire. the former describe
the program while the latter is to be filled with we think
useful for us. when I checked it, I clearly excluded any item
related to drafting comment.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">At NCUC EC level, we discussed this and
we decided that we should explore different proposals and
alternatives on how we can support policy development and our
members. Just bluntly rejecting won't be bring any benefit
and we have to work on: increasing our policy capabilities and
engaging our members. We are trying to take a more proactive
approach here. so your inputs and suggestions would be helpful
for the EC to work on that.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"> <br>
Best Regards,</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Rafik</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2016-04-26 18:17 GMT+09:00 Ayden
Férdeline <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<div><font>Thank you to everyone who has shared
their perspective on this issue. </font></div>
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</font></div>
<div><font>In Marrakech, we communicated to the
Board that the NCUC needs to build its
capacity to absorb an increased, growing,
and specialised workload. I am so pleased
that our calls have been heard and we are
being offered new resources to increase our
participation in ICANN activities.</font></div>
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<div><font>If ICANN would like to provide the
NCUC with on-going financial support so that
we can periodically bring consultants of our
own choosing on board to assist with our
policy work, I have no objections. </font></div>
<div><font><br>
What I am less comfortable with is the idea
of delegating our agenda setting powers to
Staff. If we allow Staff to 'position set'
or to identify key areas of concern, we may
loose sight of what is really at play. There
way well be value in having Staff assistance
in summarising documents or clarifying the
history of an issue, though I am tempted to
push back and to ask why this is not already
happening in working groups? If the answer
is, it is, but these summaries or histories
contain biases - why do we expect a
different outcome here?</font></div>
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<div><font>We do need additional support and I
am so very grateful that ICANN is trying to
help us. But we need the right aid. Rather
than rejecting this assistance outright, I
would prefer that we agree to take part in
the pilot programme but set our own
parametres around what support we will
accept and what support we find unsuitable. </font></div>
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<div><font>I would certainly feel more
comfortable hiring an existing NCUC or NCSG
member - someone whose values align with our
own, who is trusted, and who is already on
board with our ethos - to do this work. As
we grow we need to accept that there is a
place for compensated policy advisors to aid
us in representing the needs of our 500+
members. But THAT is key — they have to
represent us.</font></div>
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</font></div>
<div><font>Ayden</font></div>
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</font></div>
<div><font>P.S. 100 hours every four months
sounds inadequate to me. I would like us to
have 2 or 3 FTEs.</font></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote"> On Tue, Apr
26, 2016 9:33 AM, Stephanie Perrin <span
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face="Lucida Grande">For
someone new to NCUC, Sana, I
think your comments are very
astute. It is a central
conundrum.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+2"><font
face="Lucida Grande">Kind
regards, Stephanie Perrin</font></font><br>
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<div>On 2016-04-26 7:12, Sana Ali
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"> Dear Ed,
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<div><br>
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<div>I would like to respond to
some of your comments with a few
questions, without commenting on
the greater issue of whether
paid positions for doing NCUC
work ought to be created. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>You consider your work at the
NCUC public service, and you are
well respected for it. However,
one of the chronic problems the
NCUC has had, is its reliance on
the same people, the “natives”
as they are referred to, to do
the bulk of the work (or paid
civil society reps as you said).
This is an outcome of a steep
learning curve and heavy initial
investment to understand the
processes and ecosystem before
being able to contribute
effectively. Naturally, this
scares many people away. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Something to consider,
perhaps, is what makes the NCUC
a valuable commitment and such a
worthwhile investment for a
complete newcomer whose aim is
to perform “public service”? </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It is rare that you will find
an individual with no previous
stake in ICANN, who is not
looking to gain anything (i.e.,
experience in the form of what
is essentially an unpaid
internship, a stepping stone for
a career change, a networking
opportunity, a holiday, etc),
and is willing to do the legwork
to catch up on what is going on.
Similarly, it will be rare to
find someone who already has the
expertise that makes the initial
investment and learning curve
less intimidating and also has
no previous stake in ICANN. This
is because in the grand scheme
of things, neither of these
people will think that the most
effective way for them to
perform a public service or make
impact is by way of putting work
into the NCUC. Not only in light
of the large scale availability
of public service opportunity
outside of ICANN, but also in
light of NCUC’s unique and
unfortunately quite weak
positioning within the ICANN
ecosystem. If there is serious
resistance to financially
incentivizing people who might
want to participate in NCUC
work, then I think we definitely
have to in some way address
these two structural barriers
that our community faces. To
ignore them, while rejecting any
kind of financial incentivizing,
I’m afraid, would only serve to
hold us back against some very
strong (and well-financed)
opponents. I question the value
of championing purity over
purpose, while greatly admiring
yours (purity, that is).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Having said that, hats off
and much respect to the <font
face="Arial, Helvetica,
sans-serif">four very tired,
overworked volunteers.</font></div>
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<div>Warm wishes,<br>
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<div>On Apr 26, 2016, at
12:24 AM, Edward Morris
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wrote:</div>
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<div> <br>
Kathy,<br>
<br>
Last night four very
tired, overworked
volunteers were on a
call to develop a
public comment on
ICANN’s FY17
Operating Plan and
Budget. Five hundred
NCSG members were
not on this call. In
my view the solution
to our staffing
problem is not to
turn policy research
and development over
to ICANN but rather
to try to make this
group work as it
should by involving
more of our members
in policy work.<br>
<br>
Let’s take a look at
this program. ICANN
proposes helping the
NCUC “with support
for the research,
development,
collaboration,
drafting and editing
of documents for
submission within
the policy
development
processes of ICANN”.
By support they mean
having a staffer
research, write and
direct policy calls.
<br>
<br>
Who is this staffer?
Leading experts in
the fields we deal
with? No. ICANN
proposes giving us
support by staffers
that fit this
description: “a
Master or Ph.D
student, or recent
graduates in one of
the following areas
would be most
preferred: computer
security, computer
science, information
science, engineering
and public policy”.<br>
<br>
Let me get this
straight: members of
the NCUC who are
students, professors
or academics in
these fields are
still expected to
donate their time
for free doing
policy at ICANN
while we have young
people in or just
out of school
getting paid to do
roughly the same
work?<br>
<br>
It gets better. As
David Olive writes:
“We would also
welcome your input
on any specific
individuals you
might recommend to
serve in a test
support role for the
community. ICANN
procurement
principles would
prevent someone from
the same community
helping out within
that community, but
if you are aware of
any skilled writers
and researchers who
are interested in a
temporary
assignment, please
let me know.”.<br>
<br>
So anyone in the
NCUC, any of our
many Masters or PhD
students currently
donating your time:
Let David know you
want to get paid for
your work in ICANN.
Sure, you’ll have to
work for another
constituency or
stakeholder group
but at least you’ll
get paid. Who cares
about your values or
personal beliefs?<br>
<br>
I consider my work
here to be public
service. It does not
and will never
appear on my resume.
Others are here as
representatives of
their civil society
organization. They
do get paid for
their work here,
albeit indirectly.
Still, there very
much is a volunteer
ethos in the NCUC.
Going down the road
proposed by ICANN
corporate will
undoubtedly kill
that spirit. I’ve
seen it happen in
political campaigns
where paid and
volunteer staff
often run into
problems working
with each other in
harmony and void of
jealousy. The
volunteers resent
those being paid.<br>
<br>
As Milton has
written, we haven’t
worked so hard to
restructure this
corporation into one
where the ultimate
power is community
based to now allow
staff to better
manage the
community.<br>
<br>
I guess I can put
this in more
personal terms: If
we are going to
start paying people
to do what I now do
for free, don’t
expect me to do it
for free anymore.
Yes, ICANN’s support
in this area could
help us but ONLY by
agreeing to contract
with our own people
to provide these
services. As it
stands now the only
people not eligible
to work in these new
roles for the NCUC
are NCUC members.
Yet our members are
free to work for
other constituencies
and stakeholder
groups. Does this
somehow make sense
to anyone?<br>
<br>
Yes, last night four
tired, overworked
NCUC volunteers
worked on a NCSG
public comment on
the FY17 Budget.
I’ve seen a draft of
ALAC’s public
comments, written
with staff
assistance. I’ve
seen the RSSAC
comments. Our public
comment will be
superior to those,
as our comments
often are. That’s
because of the
talent and
commitment of the
volunteer members of
the NCUC.<br>
<br>
We do not need ICANN
corporate to pay non
NCUC member students
they select to do
our policy
development for us.
We certainly could
use help and
resources in this
area but not this
type of help. But if
we decide to go in
this direction...</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I wonder if I
really could get
hired and help the
IPC write policy
documents porting
the new gTLD RPM's
over to legacy
gTLD's. Personally,
I think that's a
terrible idea and as
a NCUC volunteer
I've been prepared
to fight it but I do
need to pay bills
so...so much for my
public service
ethos.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>This program is a
poorly designed bad
idea.<br>
<br>
Kind Regards,<br>
<br>
Ed</div>
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<div><span
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“Kathy Kleiman” <<a
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<b>Sent</b>:
Tuesday, April 26,
2016 3:38 AM<br>
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<b>Subject</b>: Re:
[NCUC-DISCUSS] Pilot
Program</span>
<div> </div>
I've been out of town,
but if this offer is
being made to all
constituencies, and we
turn it down, won't we
potentially be at an
even greater
disadvantage than we
already are? We are
already volunteer
people in NCUC working
across the table from
people largely paid to
be here from other
constituencies. If
they now get paid
staff to write their
comments (presumably
which they have
designed and drafted),
doesn't our
disadvantage become
that much worse?
Aren't we that much
further behind?<br>
<br>
I agree that this
person does not seem a
good fit for our
positions, our work
and our views. Of
course, we would want
someone who is! But
that's different than
rejecting the
program. With so many
comments to which we
are Not responding and
so much work we are
Not doing, it would be
good to have someone
who could turn our
notes into a draft --
to spin straw into
gold :-).<br>
<br>
Best, Kathy<br>
<div>On 4/25/2016 3:23
PM, Sonigitu Ekpe
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<div>Dear All,<br>
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I think after
studying the
write up, it
is worth
supporting.<br>
</div>
My 50cents, is
to give in my
support for the
pilot program.<br>
</div>
Thank you.</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">Sonigitu
Ekpe<br>
<br>
Mobile +234
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about love and
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<div>On Mon, Apr
25, 2016 at 6:13
AM, Edward
Morris <span
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<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">Hello
everybody,</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">The
NCUC EC will
be discussing
today whether
to participate
in an ICANN
pilot program
designed to
offer
assistance
with policy
research and
document
drafting to
selected
constituencies
and
stakeholder
groups. I echo
the views
expressed by
Milton on the
NCUC EC
mailing list
when he writes
“I want to
express my
strongest
opposition to
this entire
program”.</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">It
is tempting.
We are
launching
three major
pdp's, some of
us are
dramatically
overworked, we
sure need
help. But not
from ICANN,
not in this
way, not now.</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">If
ICANN wants to
support the
NCUC in policy
development
(of course,
the NCUC
traditionally
does not do
policy to any
great extent,
a mistake in
my
view) there
are ways to
assist us with
resources. The
key is control
of these
resources.
This program
IMHO does not
empower the
NCUC; if
successful it
could make us
somewhat
dependent upon
ICANN for
assistance
with <strong>policy</strong>.
Friends, if we
can't research
and draft and
create policy
positions
ourselves then
we don't
deserve to
exist. </span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">Three
years ago I
was opposed to
accepting
ICANN's offer
of
administrative
help. It was
not that I
thought hiring
someone (who
turned out to
be MaryAm) to
assist with
the tasks
volunteers
like Robin
were then
spending far
too much time
doing would
doom us to
“company
union” status.
My opposition
was based upon
the fear that
once we went
down this
slippery slope
there was no
turning back.
My fear is
being realised
with this
program.</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">In
our proposed
response we
seem to be
asking ICANN
for some of
this type of
support:</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">-
assistance
with front end
issue research</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">-
research on
the background
of the
specific issue
being
addressed</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">-
join community
calls/chats
where
“position
setting” is
focus</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">This
program is
bering
developed by
an ICANN
contractor WBC
Global. Dan
O'Neill is the
Principal of
the firm and
is the one
working on
this program
with ICANN.
Dan's
biography
states:</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"><font
color="#666666" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">As the
principal of
the firm, he
offers public
policy,
political and
strategic
business
advice to
Fortune 500
and other
companies,
with a focus
on
international
trade, market
access and
intellectual
property
rights. He
represent
companies
before
Congress, the
White House
and federal
agencies on a
diverse set of
public policy
matters
including
investment,
international
trade
disputes,
international
tax, custom
issues as well
as economic
sanctions
issues.</font><br
style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<font
color="#666666"
face="Verdana,
Arial,
Helvetica,
sans-serif"> </font><br
style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<font
color="#666666"
face="Verdana,
Arial,
Helvetica,
sans-serif">Recent
activities on
behalf of
clients
include:
advising on
the
Trans-Pacific
Partnership
trade
agreement on
negotiations
impacting
intellectual
property
rights,
investment and
market access;
lobby in
support of
permanent
normal trade
relations
(PNTR) for
Russia;
strategizing
and lobbying
for companies
having market
access and IPR
issues in
China;
advising on
WTO
negotiations
on expansion
of the
Information
Technology
Agreement and
renewed effort
to secure an
agreement on
Services; and
provide advice
on the use of
US trade
preference
programs for
investment
issues in
developing
countries.</font></span></div>
<div><span
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<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"><font
color="#666666" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">He also
plays a
leading role
in business
community
activity with
UN Internet
Governance
Forum (IGF).</font></span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
<div><span
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<div><span
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<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">This
is not someone
I want
anywhere near
our
Constituency.
Mr. O'Neill
spends his
professional
life
advocating for
positions and
organisations
that are
traditionally
opposed to
that which the
NCUC supports.
He's not
somebody with
our interests
at heart.</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">If
ICANN wants to
support the
NCUC in this
area I have no
problem with
the NCUC
accepting
ICANN's
financial
support:
provided we
have complete
independence
in selecting
the hire and
defining the
job. There are
many in the
nonprofit
sector, many
public
interest
organizations,
we could
contract with
for policy
help if we had
the resources
and freedom to
do so. We can
do better than
joining a
“pilot
program” being
organised by
someone who
has a “leading
role in
business
community
activity”
within the
IGF. In fact,
instead of
joining this
program we
should be
questioning
why WBC was
hired.</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">One
other problem:
If ICANN is
going to pay
people to do
some of our
policy work
then why
should
anyone do
other parts of
our policy
work for free?
When I run
political
campaigns I
keep paid
canvassers
completely
separate from
volunteer
canvassers.
I've found you
lose the
volunteers if
you don't.
Same thing
here. If you
look at the
details of the
proposal there
is even a
chance the
help provided
may be an
active member
of another
part of the
ICANN
community.
Amazing.</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
<div><span
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">I
join Milton in
hoping the EC
rejects this.
We do need
help in this
area but not
under these
terms. Our
independence
is very much
at stake.
Please, EC,
keep ICANN and
WBC Global
away from
direct
involvement in
the
noncommercial policy
develkopmnent
process. Do
not go further
down this
slope leading
to dependence
upon ICANN for
all that we
do.</span></div>
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<div><span
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