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<div><font>Thank you to everyone who has shared their perspective on this issue. </font></div><div><font><br></font></div><div><font>In Marrakech, we communicated to the Board that the NCUC needs to build its capacity to absorb an increased, growing, and specialised workload. I am so pleased that our calls have been heard and we are being offered new resources to increase our participation in ICANN activities.</font></div><div><font><br></font></div><div><font>If ICANN would like to provide the NCUC with on-going financial support so that we can periodically bring consultants of our own choosing on board to assist with our policy work, I have no objections. </font></div><div><font><br>What I am less comfortable with is the idea of delegating our agenda setting powers to Staff. If we allow Staff to 'position set' or to identify key areas of concern, we may loose sight of what is really at play. There way well be value in having Staff assistance in summarising documents or clarifying the history of an issue, though I am tempted to push back and to ask why this is not already happening in working groups? If the answer is, it is, but these summaries or histories contain biases - why do we expect a different outcome here?</font></div><div><font><br></font></div><div><font>We do need additional support and I am so very grateful that ICANN is trying to help us. But we need the right aid. Rather than rejecting this assistance outright, I would prefer that we agree to take part in the pilot programme but set our own parametres around what support we will accept and what support we find unsuitable. </font></div><div><font><br></font></div><div><font>I would certainly feel more comfortable hiring an existing NCUC or NCSG member - someone whose values align with our own, who is trusted, and who is already on board with our ethos - to do this work. As we grow we need to accept that there is a place for compensated policy advisors to aid us in representing the needs of our 500+ members. But THAT is key — they have to represent us.</font></div><div><font><br></font></div><div><font>Ayden</font></div><div><font><br></font></div><div><font>P.S. 100 hours every four months sounds inadequate to me. I would like us to have 2 or 3 FTEs.</font></div><div>
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On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 9:33 AM, Stephanie Perrin <span dir="ltr"> <a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a></span>
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<p><font size="+2"><font face="Lucida Grande">For someone new to
NCUC, Sana, I think your comments are very astute. It is a
central conundrum.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+2"><font face="Lucida Grande">Kind regards, Stephanie
Perrin</font></font><br>
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<div>On 2016-04-26 7:12, Sana Ali wrote:<br>
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Dear Ed,
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<div>I would like to respond to some of your comments
with a few questions, without commenting on the greater issue of
whether paid positions for doing NCUC work ought to be created. </div>
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<div>You consider your work at the NCUC public service,
and you are well respected for it. However, one of the chronic
problems the NCUC has had, is its reliance on the same people,
the “natives” as they are referred to, to do the bulk of the
work (or paid civil society reps as you said). This is an
outcome of a steep learning curve and heavy initial investment
to understand the processes and ecosystem before being able to
contribute effectively. Naturally, this scares many people
away. </div>
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<div>Something to consider, perhaps, is what makes the
NCUC a valuable commitment and such a worthwhile investment for
a complete newcomer whose aim is to perform “public service”? </div>
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</div>
<div>It is rare that you will find an individual with no
previous stake in ICANN, who is not looking to gain anything
(i.e., experience in the form of what is essentially an unpaid
internship, a stepping stone for a career change, a networking
opportunity, a holiday, etc), and is willing to do the legwork
to catch up on what is going on. Similarly, it will be rare to
find someone who already has the expertise that makes the
initial investment and learning curve less intimidating and also
has no previous stake in ICANN. This is because in the grand
scheme of things, neither of these people will think that the
most effective way for them to perform a public service or make
impact is by way of putting work into the NCUC. Not only in
light of the large scale availability of public service
opportunity outside of ICANN, but also in light of NCUC’s unique
and unfortunately quite weak positioning within the ICANN
ecosystem. If there is serious resistance to financially
incentivizing people who might want to participate in NCUC work,
then I think we definitely have to in some way address these two
structural barriers that our community faces. To ignore them,
while rejecting any kind of financial incentivizing, I’m afraid,
would only serve to hold us back against some very strong (and
well-financed) opponents. I question the value of championing
purity over purpose, while greatly admiring yours (purity, that
is).</div>
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<div>Having said that, hats off and much respect to the <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">four
very tired, overworked volunteers.</font></div>
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<div>Warm wishes,<br>
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<div>On Apr 26, 2016, at 12:24 AM, Edward Morris
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:egmorris1@toast.net">egmorris1@toast.net</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div> <br>
Kathy,<br>
<br>
Last night four very tired, overworked volunteers
were on a call to develop a public comment on
ICANN’s FY17 Operating Plan and Budget. Five hundred
NCSG members were not on this call. In my view the
solution to our staffing problem is not to turn
policy research and development over to ICANN but
rather to try to make this group work as it should
by involving more of our members in policy work.<br>
<br>
Let’s take a look at this program. ICANN proposes
helping the NCUC “with support for the research,
development, collaboration, drafting and editing of
documents for submission within the policy
development processes of ICANN”. By support they
mean having a staffer research, write and direct
policy calls. <br>
<br>
Who is this staffer? Leading experts in the fields
we deal with? No. ICANN proposes giving us support
by staffers that fit this description: “a Master or
Ph.D student, or recent graduates in one of the
following areas would be most preferred: computer
security, computer science, information science,
engineering and public policy”.<br>
<br>
Let me get this straight: members of the NCUC who
are students, professors or academics in these
fields are still expected to donate their time for
free doing policy at ICANN while we have young
people in or just out of school getting paid to do
roughly the same work?<br>
<br>
It gets better. As David Olive writes: “We would
also welcome your input on any specific individuals
you might recommend to serve in a test support role
for the community. ICANN procurement principles
would prevent someone from the same community
helping out within that community, but if you are
aware of any skilled writers and researchers who are
interested in a temporary assignment, please let me
know.”.<br>
<br>
So anyone in the NCUC, any of our many Masters or
PhD students currently donating your time: Let David
know you want to get paid for your work in ICANN.
Sure, you’ll have to work for another constituency
or stakeholder group but at least you’ll get paid.
Who cares about your values or personal beliefs?<br>
<br>
I consider my work here to be public service. It
does not and will never appear on my resume. Others
are here as representatives of their civil society
organization. They do get paid for their work here,
albeit indirectly. Still, there very much is a
volunteer ethos in the NCUC. Going down the road
proposed by ICANN corporate will undoubtedly kill
that spirit. I’ve seen it happen in political
campaigns where paid and volunteer staff often run
into problems working with each other in harmony and
void of jealousy. The volunteers resent those being
paid.<br>
<br>
As Milton has written, we haven’t worked so hard to
restructure this corporation into one where the
ultimate power is community based to now allow staff
to better manage the community.<br>
<br>
I guess I can put this in more personal terms: If
we are going to start paying people to do what I now
do for free, don’t expect me to do it for free
anymore. Yes, ICANN’s support in this area could
help us but ONLY by agreeing to contract with our
own people to provide these services. As it stands
now the only people not eligible to work in these
new roles for the NCUC are NCUC members. Yet our
members are free to work for other constituencies
and stakeholder groups. Does this somehow make sense
to anyone?<br>
<br>
Yes, last night four tired, overworked NCUC
volunteers worked on a NCSG public comment on the
FY17 Budget. I’ve seen a draft of ALAC’s public
comments, written with staff assistance. I’ve seen
the RSSAC comments. Our public comment will be
superior to those, as our comments often are. That’s
because of the talent and commitment of the
volunteer members of the NCUC.<br>
<br>
We do not need ICANN corporate to pay non NCUC
member students they select to do our policy
development for us. We certainly could use help and
resources in this area but not this type of help.
But if we decide to go in this direction...</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I wonder if I really could get hired and
help the IPC write policy documents porting the new
gTLD RPM's over to legacy gTLD's. Personally, I
think that's a terrible idea and as a NCUC volunteer
I've been prepared to fight it but I do need to pay
bills so...so much for my public service ethos.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>This program is a poorly designed bad
idea.<br>
<br>
Kind Regards,<br>
<br>
Ed</div>
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<div><span style="font-family:
tahoma,arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><b>From</b>: “Kathy Kleiman” <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com"></a><a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent</b>: Tuesday, April 26, 2016 3:38
AM<br>
<b>To</b>: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a><br>
<b>Subject</b>: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Pilot
Program</span>
<div> </div>
I've been out of town, but if this offer is being made
to all constituencies, and we turn it down, won't we
potentially be at an even greater disadvantage than we
already are? We are already volunteer people in NCUC
working across the table from people largely paid to
be here from other constituencies. If they now get
paid staff to write their comments (presumably which
they have designed and drafted), doesn't our
disadvantage become that much worse? Aren't we that
much further behind?<br>
<br>
I agree that this person does not seem a good fit for
our positions, our work and our views. Of course, we
would want someone who is! But that's different than
rejecting the program. With so many comments to which
we are Not responding and so much work we are Not
doing, it would be good to have someone who could turn
our notes into a draft -- to spin straw into gold :-).<br>
<br>
Best, Kathy<br>
<div>On 4/25/2016 3:23 PM,
Sonigitu Ekpe wrote:</div>
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<div>Dear All,<br>
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I think after studying the write up, it is
worth supporting.<br>
</div>
My 50cents, is to give in my support for the
pilot program.<br>
</div>
Thank you.</div>
<div>
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<div dir="ltr">Sonigitu Ekpe<br>
<br>
Mobile +234 805 0232 469 Office + 234 802
751 0179<br>
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<div>On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at
6:13 AM, Edward Morris <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:egmorris1@toast.net" moz-do-not-send="true" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:egmorris1@toast.net">egmorris1@toast.net</a>></span>
wrote:
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<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">Hello everybody,</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">The NCUC EC will be discussing
today whether to participate in an ICANN
pilot program designed to offer assistance
with policy research and document drafting
to selected constituencies and stakeholder
groups. I echo the views expressed by
Milton on the NCUC EC mailing list when he
writes “I want to express my strongest
opposition to this entire program”.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">It is tempting. We are launching
three major pdp's, some of us are
dramatically overworked, we sure need
help. But not from ICANN, not in this way,
not now.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">If ICANN wants to support the
NCUC in policy development (of course, the
NCUC traditionally does not do policy to
any great extent, a mistake in my
view) there are ways to assist us with
resources. The key is control of these
resources. This program IMHO does not
empower the NCUC; if successful it could
make us somewhat dependent upon ICANN for
assistance with <strong>policy</strong>.
Friends, if we can't research and draft
and create policy positions ourselves then
we don't deserve to exist. </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">Three years ago I was opposed to
accepting ICANN's offer of administrative
help. It was not that I thought hiring
someone (who turned out to be MaryAm) to
assist with the tasks volunteers like
Robin were then spending far too much
time doing would doom us to “company
union” status. My opposition was based
upon the fear that once we went down this
slippery slope there was no turning back.
My fear is being realised with this
program.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">In our proposed response we seem
to be asking ICANN for some of this type
of support:</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">- assistance with front end issue
research</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">- research on the background of
the specific issue being addressed</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">- join community calls/chats
where “position setting” is focus</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">This program is bering developed
by an ICANN contractor WBC Global. Dan
O'Neill is the Principal of the firm and
is the one working on this program with
ICANN. Dan's biography states:</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color="#666666">As the principal of the firm,
he offers public policy, political and
strategic business advice to Fortune 500
and other companies, with a focus on
international trade, market access and
intellectual property rights. He
represent companies before Congress, the
White House and federal agencies on a
diverse set of public policy matters
including investment, international
trade disputes, international tax,
custom issues as well as economic
sanctions issues.</font><br style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color="#666666"> </font><br style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color="#666666">Recent activities on behalf of
clients include: advising on the
Trans-Pacific Partnership trade
agreement on negotiations impacting
intellectual property rights, investment
and market access; lobby in support of
permanent normal trade relations (PNTR)
for Russia; strategizing and lobbying
for companies having market access and
IPR issues in China; advising on WTO
negotiations on expansion of the
Information Technology Agreement and
renewed effort to secure an agreement on
Services; and provide advice on the use
of US trade preference programs for
investment issues in developing
countries.</font></span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color="#666666">He also plays a leading role in
business community activity with UN
Internet Governance Forum (IGF).</font></span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">This is not someone I want
anywhere near our Constituency. Mr.
O'Neill spends his professional life
advocating for positions and organisations
that are traditionally opposed to that
which the NCUC supports. He's not somebody
with our interests at heart.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">If ICANN wants to support the
NCUC in this area I have no problem with
the NCUC accepting ICANN's financial
support: provided we have complete
independence in selecting the hire and
defining the job. There are many in the
nonprofit sector, many public interest
organizations, we could contract with for
policy help if we had the resources and
freedom to do so. We can do better than
joining a “pilot program” being organised
by someone who has a “leading role in
business community activity” within the
IGF. In fact, instead of joining this
program we should be questioning why WBC
was hired.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px"> </span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">One other problem: If ICANN is
going to pay people to do some of our
policy work then why should anyone do
other parts of our policy work for free?
When I run political campaigns I keep paid
canvassers completely separate from
volunteer canvassers. I've found you lose
the volunteers if you don't. Same thing
here. If you look at the details of the
proposal there is even a chance the help
provided may be an active member of
another part of the ICANN community.
Amazing.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">I join Milton in hoping the EC
rejects this. We do need help in this area
but not under these terms. Our
independence is very much at stake.
Please, EC, keep ICANN and WBC Global away
from direct involvement in the
noncommercial policy develkopmnent
process. Do not go further down this slope
leading to dependence upon ICANN for all
that we do.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,Sans-Serif;font-size:12px">Best,</span></div>
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