<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi All,</div><div><br></div><div>I read the cover note which essentially provided that " any interested party to review and provide feedback" on the draft. I'm sure no one expects that it would be a substantive review on a new model ( under Calf law or other) - the time has long past for those comments and I'm pretty sure those points will not be considered. </div><div><br></div><div>The extent of one's review is therefore confined to the new By-laws. It is probably the last opportunity to critically examine , on a line by line basis, the verbiage of the by-laws. In so doing we might discover several errors or "gotcha" points.</div><div><br></div><div>regards</div><div><br></div><div>Karel</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 12:39 PM, avri doria <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:avri@apc.org" target="_blank">avri@apc.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">hi,<br>
<br>
I disagree. I think that is a slippery slope toward people thinking<br>
they can fine tune the proposal by discovering potential contradictions.<br>
<br>
avri<br>
<span><br>
<br>
On 22-Apr-16 10:53, Kathy Kleiman wrote:<br>
> +2 Milton, and you pointed out some truly disturbing problems about<br>
> two weeks ago.<br>
> As for me, I am shocked at the tremendous revision to the bylaws being<br>
> introduced.<br>
> I had thought we were adjusting accountability, not rewriting ICANN's<br>
> structure.<br>
> - Kathy<br>
><br>
> On 4/22/2016 10:50 AM, Matthew Shears wrote:<br>
>> + 1 Milton<br>
>><br>
>> On 4/22/2016 3:44 PM, Mueller, Milton L wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Yes, Aarti, we are not able to change the basic proposal.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> However, I wonder what would happen if someone discovers some major<br>
>>> “gotcha” that creates legal issues or some kinds of internal<br>
>>> contradictions. So the overall proposal must, I think, be assessed<br>
>>> in terms of its workability and not just in terms of its adherence<br>
>>> to the CCWG proposal.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> --MM<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
</span>>>> *From:*Ncuc-discuss [mailto:<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org">ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org</a>] *On<br>
>>> Behalf Of *Aarti Bhavana<br>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 22, 2016 3:20 AM<br>
>>> *To:* Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>> *Cc:* <a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a><br>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] [info] Draft New ICANN Bylaws Posted<br>
<span>>>> for Public Comment<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi Rafik,<br>
>>><br>
>>> The way I understand it, we are only looking at whether the bylaws<br>
>>> adequately reflect the principles in the final proposal, that the<br>
>>> chartering organisations agreed to. This does not involve a<br>
>>> substantive discussion itself, as that has been closed. However, if<br>
>>> anyone thinks that the articulation of the bylaws haven't quite<br>
>>> captured the accountability-enhancing recommendations agreed upon in<br>
>>> the final proposal, then this is the perfect place to raise these<br>
>>> concerns.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Best,<br>
>>> Aarti<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 22 Apr 2016 12:10 pm, "Rafik Dammak" <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a><br>
</span><div><div class="h5">>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Hi everyone,<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> I am sharing here the announcement about public comment period<br>
>>> for the new ICANN bylaws challenges, which is part of the<br>
>>> implementation for the accountability proposals. as you know the<br>
>>> the accountability work is still ongoing starting with the<br>
>>> so-called "workstream 2". it doesn't look like when you read the<br>
>>> announcement, but this is another important step to implement<br>
>>> accountability measures within ICANN.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> hope that those from NCUC involved in the CCWG can give some<br>
>>> background and explanations.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Best Regards,<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Rafik<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Original link: <a href="https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2016-04-21-en" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2016-04-21-en</a><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Draft New ICANN Bylaws Posted for 30-day Public Comment<br>
>>><br>
>>> Now that the IANA Stewardship Transition Coordination Group<br>
>>> (ICG) and Cross Community Working Group on Enhancing ICANN<br>
>>> Accountability (CCWG-Accountability) proposals have been<br>
>>> transmitted to NTIA, one of the key implementation planning<br>
>>> items is to amend the ICANN Bylaws to reflect the<br>
>>> recommendations in those Proposals. The proposed draft of the<br>
>>> New ICANN Bylaws was developed collaboratively by the ICANN<br>
>>> legal team and the independent counsel hired to advise the<br>
>>> CCWG-Accountability and the Cross Community Working Group to<br>
>>> Develop an IANA Stewardship Transition Proposal on Naming<br>
>>> Related Functions (CWG-Stewardship). In developing the Draft New<br>
>>> ICANN Bylaws, the attorneys consulted a Bylaws Coordination<br>
>>> Group populated with both community and Board members, as well<br>
>>> as with the CWG-Stewardship and the CCWG-Accountability.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Both the independent counsel to the community groups and ICANN's<br>
>>> General Counsel have confirmed that the Draft New ICANN Bylaws<br>
>>> are consistent with the community proposals relating to the IANA<br>
>>> Stewardship Transition.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> These proposed draft Bylaws, are out for a 30-day public comment<br>
>>> from 21 April – 21 May to allow any interested party to review<br>
>>> and provide feedback. This timeline allows for comments to be<br>
>>> analyzed and incorporated in time for a tentative 27 May<br>
>>> adoption of the Bylaws by the ICANN Board.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> NTIA has stated that it needs to see that changes to the Bylaws<br>
>>> have been adopted sufficient to implement the Transition<br>
>>> Proposals before NTIA can complete its review of the Transition<br>
>>> Proposals. This public comment period is designed to meet that<br>
>>> deadline.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Link: <a href="https://www.icann.org/public-comments/draft-new-bylaws-2016-04-21-en" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">https://www.icann.org/public-comments/draft-new-bylaws-2016-04-21-en</a><br>
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