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It won't matter much but I think we should have gone with the NCUC's
bylaw. <br>
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I'll be fine with doing it the NCSG's way, but I don't think the
rationale used is a good one. What's before was before, what's now
is now. Membership's fees not being collected is materially
different in my opinion. Failure to enforce should not render the
texts inoperative for the future.<br>
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Nicolas<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2015-11-25 12:32 PM, Mueller, Milton
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sorry for the confusion. I agree that it probably won’t
matter much and I agree that the priority is to get the
election underway and completed on schedule. So whatever
path gets that done, let’s do. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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NCUC-EC [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org">mailto:ncuc-ec-bounces@lists.ncuc.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>William Drake<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 25, 2015 4:11 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> William Drake <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch"><william.drake@uzh.ch></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Exec. Comm <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org"><ncuc-ec@lists.ncuc.org></a>;
NCUC-discuss <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org"><ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org></a>;
Tapani Tarvainen <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tapani.tarvainen@effi.org"><tapani.tarvainen@effi.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCUC-EC] [NCUC-DISCUSS] NCUC EC
Elections - Voting Starts tomorrow 23 Nov 2015<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Good morning<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So here’s where it seems we are.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1. Since at least 2012 (I don’t have
saved mail about 2011), prior to my being chair, the
ballot sent out in each NCUC election have included text
saying we will use the NCSG Charter’s system of vote
weighting. I suppose the rationales were that the Charter
was written a couple years after the Bylaws (basically by
the same people if memory serves) and hence could be
viewed as the more current thinking; NCUC is a part of
NCSG and should conform with its procedures where
possible; the Bylaws have a number of provisions that
never seemed to correspond to reality (like membership
fees) and others that were rendered inoperable by the
formation of NCSG (like having a Policy Committee and
electing NCUC Councilors), so people involved in the
‘inner circles’ of constituency tended to say let’s follow
the parts that still make sense and revise the Bylaws
later (which I could never get help with); and it would be
sort of unusual to tell large member organizations that
they get 4 votes in the one election but only 2 in the
other. So I suggested ok let’s continue with the
practice.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2. Nobody on or off the EC ever said
there was a problem with doing this. That includes the
less than handful of people who are now saying there is a
problem with doing this. And again, I emphasize, this
language has been included in the text of every ballot
people have used to vote ever since. It didn’t just pop
out of nowhere like magic. I’m sorry if someone never
thought about it before, but it would seem a strange
procedure to turn on a dime now and take votes away from
certain members because they have. We shouldn’t bounce
back and forth based on a few people complaining no matter
how disputatious the dialogue is, that’s not a
professional process to follow in a network of 450+
members, many of whom are new and may find it
discouraging. If we were to make a change now, one would
think it should at least be based on a vote of the current
EC. But the only EC members to weigh in have been Milton
(the nonvoting Treasurer) and I, and we don’t agree. This
doesn’t seem sufficient grounds for a change of course.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">3. There’s no reason to believe that
following the Charter system would impact the election
outcome in one way rather than another. On the ballot
list Maryam sent me, there are 22 organizations that would
have 4 votes rather than 2 under the Charter model.
There’s no way to know whether they will all vote, or if
they do how those 44 ‘extra’ votes would be allocated with
respect to the 3 of 6 EC slots that are contested. Same
for all the previous years.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">4. Meanwhile we are losing precious
days in the election cycle while people argue the point,
which could negatively impact turn-out. We could let
things drift for a few more days and see if more people
weigh in but I strongly suspect this would not produce a
clear consensus in either direction, and inevitably
someone could be unhappy with either solution.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We need to get the new EC in place to
make appointments for 2016, prepare for the February
Noncontracted Parties House meeting, and on and on. So I
would strongly suggest we just proceed on the same basis
as previous years and if for next year some people want to
change the voting weighting let’s have a thorough
discussion of the options rather than a 12th hour debate
involving a handful of people.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">FWIW with respect to the revision, I
sent the Bylaws Team list a set of suggestions in August
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that included addressing different weightings in the two
models. Nobody has responded to this but I would think
that is the appropriate setting in which to take up the
matter.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Bill<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Nov 24, 2015, at 3:55 PM,
William Drake <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Nov 24, 2015, at
9:52 AM, Tapani Tarvainen <<a
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wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Bill,<br>
<br>
Without digging into email archives, my
recollection is that in 2013 I<br>
first made the voter list using 2-1-1
weights as per our bylaws, but<br>
you decided to use 4-2-1 instead on
grounds of consistency with NCSG<br>
and precedent (apparently it had been
done that way previously),<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Right. And nobody argued
against it then or at any time since when
the same thing’s been recurrently stated,
which makes this little episode a bit
unhelpful. We should not be inconsistent
with the NCSG charter, and one of the tasks
for the Bylaws Team in revising will be to
make sure we bring our procedures into
alignment with it. Until that is done we
try to comform where we can. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So, history and
consistency with NCSG favours 4-2-1,
bylaws say 2-1-1.<br>
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The bylaws also say that<br>
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"The Chair shall also: [...] Establish
ballots for voting, for review<br>
by the EC"<br>
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and<br>
<br>
"The Executive Committee shall have the
following duties: [...]<br>
Approve all ballots for online
elections"<br>
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So, over to you and NCUC EC. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nobody on the EC has
opposed the practice previously and I’m not
seeing anyone reversing course now. If no
objections are received by tomorrow morning
CET I suggest we just get on with it, we’re
already losing two days and Glen is waiting to
send the ballots. We will have a shortened
election period this time so hopefully
everyone will respond promptly when ballots
are sent. <b>Please do check your spam
folders to make sure that mail from </b><b><span
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does not get stuck.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Bill<o:p></o:p></p>
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William J. Drake<br>
International Fellow & Lecturer<br>
Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ<br>
University of Zurich, Switzerland<br>
Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, <br>
ICANN, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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NETmundial Roadmap </i><a
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William J. Drake<br>
International Fellow & Lecturer<br>
Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ<br>
University of Zurich, Switzerland<br>
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ICANN, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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