<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Hello James,<br><br></div>What was used in the past is not the right thing, that is my concern. I have no problem with using the past threshold, I think now that it has been raised makes any future election open to questioning. There is noting currently wrong with the present NCUC bylaw as it concerns the threshold, the NCUC bylaw is supposed to be followed even if part of it is flawed. So I personally don't buy the Idea of ignoring an organization governing document, the best that can be done is to put the election on hold, update the bylaw to reflect the threshold and then that can be applied for the election (if people preferred the NCSG threshold).<br><br></div><div>I believe we should forget about the past but think about the future implications when applying things of the past in the present. <br><br></div>Regards<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 2:42 PM, James Gannon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:james@cyberinvasion.net" target="_blank">james@cyberinvasion.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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previous number of candidates to their positions, unless we wish to open up the previous elections for allegations of impropriety we should continue the current practise and wait until we have made a decision in the bylaws subgroup on this matter.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Tuesday 24 November 2015 at 1:33 p.m.<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Tapani Tarvainen <<a href="mailto:tapani.tarvainen@effi.org" target="_blank">tapani.tarvainen@effi.org</a>>, NCUC-discuss <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] NCUC EC Elections - Voting Starts tomorrow 23 Nov 2015<br>
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Hi Bill,<br>
Technically changing the weights in the list is trivial (I think<br>
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This is not a technical problem but a political decision.<br>
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<div>SO: This is a very useful information. So there is no timing issue in doing the right thing here.<br>
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On Nov 23 12:56, William Drake (<a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch" target="_blank">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>) wrote:<br>
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> > So rather than the 4-2-1 voting proportions used for NCSG elections, NCUC elections are run using a 2-1-1 vote weighing system. In practical terms the NCUC Bylaws give more power to individual members, the NCSG Charter to large organisations.<br>
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> > I do hope the tabulation software will be programmed to accurately reflect the NCUC Bylaws. We have several contested elections with some fine candidates and in fairness to them it would be good to use the vote weighing system contained in our Bylaws and
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> This puzzled me so I checked with Glen and Maryam as well as the 2013 and 2014 final vote tallies I have saved on my computer. As far as we can see, what we’ve done for some years now is follow the NCSG Charter's vote weighting rather than the NCUC Bylaws'
weighting, which was defined prior the SG's formation. You were on the NCUC EC when we did this in the 2013 election and I don’t recall it being an issue. There’s obviously an argument for having harmonization with the later and technically higher level model,
no? Why should we change direction at this point?<br>
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> Unfortunately, Tapani (king of the data base) is off line today, so maybe we’ll hold off a day on sending out ballots until we can hear from him. I’m about to get off a bouncy train in Zurich where I teach for four hours, and in any event have never touched
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