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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01-Nov-14 12:39, William Drake
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      <div class="">Also may be of interest—board compensation. <a
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        <div class="">I’m sympathetic to the argument that hard working
          board members should receive some compensation for
          lost/deferred wages and opportunity costs more generally.  On
          the other hand, it’s also true that the system is entirely
          dependent on volunteers being willing to put in significant
          pro bono blood, sweat and tears.  Maybe the community should
          track its hours of free labor for publication on both an
          individualized and aggregated basis?  :-)  </div>
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    "Some compensation" - the amounts are more than many full-time
    high-tech jobs in the U.S. -- not to mention less expensive
    countries or other occupations.  I don't begrudge them the
    compensation - but it's a good reminder that this is a non-profit
    *business*.  Like the Red Cross, United Way, Public Broadcasting,
    ...  (Does ICANN belong to NPOC? :-)<br>
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    I did see the :-) on tracking pro-bona time, but I do have a serious
    reaction.<br>
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    I'm not sure that expending the energy to tracking 'free labor'
    hours is worthwhile.  These efforts tend to end up in a bureaucracy
    - do we then start trying to value it?  Corporate manager types
    don't understand volunteer hours unless they're turned into dollar
    equivalents.  Lawyer hours, engineer hours, consultant hours? 
    Travel costs?  Computer resources?  Valued at local billing rates,
    or in California dollars?  Does a 1AM local time meeting get valued
    at overtime rates?  Do hours count travel time, or just on-task
    time?  Are they audited?  I could go on...<br>
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    And don't forget the involuntary 'free labor', a.k.a. donations in
    kind by those whose job responsibilities include, or informally
    require work in this area.  One can argue whether the employee,
    employer or both are contributing - but someone pays the bill.  Many
    of these people make efforts to create influence policy for the
    common good - beyond the narrow interest of their employers.  In any
    case, this is effort that ICANN doesn't pay for.<br>
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    While (most) everyone appreciates recognition for their efforts,
    before the idea of tracking gains too much traction: what tangible
    benefits would accrue?  Would these data move the needle on any
    issue?  Or increase participation in any activity?  What could be
    accomplished with the same amount of effort applied to the difficult
    issues that we face?<br>
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    Oh, and the law of unintended consequences: Would anyone look at his
    data and say "Wow, I'm spending THAT much time on this.  Better
    re-prioritize..." :-)  Before giggling too hard, note that I've done
    that with some activities that I really enjoyed.<br>
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    It's probably sufficient to estimate the effort from easily
    available data: how many hours of teleconference/webmeetings * #
    participants * prep/follow-up factor.  All but the last should be
    available for the asking from the vendors.  And I'm sure we could
    have endless hours of discussion and employ multiple (expensive)
    consultants to come up with the last item, before arriving at '2'
    :-)<br>
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    For dollar value, multiply by the average board member's
    compensation divided by the number of board meeting hours attended.<br>
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    Seriously, it's worth remembering that the system lives on volunteer
    efforts - in fact, the internet was largely built on them.  And it's
    worth reminding everyone that the volunteer/pro-bona effort
    continue.  But I'd need a lot of convincing before I'd agree to
    setting foot on the slippery slope of tracking time. <br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Timothe Litt
ACM Distinguished Engineer
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This communication may not represent the ACM or my employer's views,
if any, on the matters discussed. 
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                <div class="">On Nov 1, 2014, at 9:24 AM, William Drake
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                    <div class="">It’s that time of year again, ICANN’s
                      financial reports can make for interesting
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                                2014, 322 New gTLDs were delegated in
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                                revenues from the fees.</span></p>
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                              class="">October 31, 2014 at 8:47:18 PM
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                                ICANN Audited Financial Statements for
                                FY14 are published!</b><br class="">
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                                  <div class="">Dear all,</div>
                                  <div class="">The audited financial
                                    statements for FY14 are available on
                                    our website! Please feel free to
                                    share the news and let me know if
                                    you have any questions.</div>
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                                    <div class="">Thanks,</div>
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