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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’d tend toward offering them the standard $2000. Concerned about the last minute nature of the request, and about
the precedent of scrambling to cover that. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Also, it’s important to attend all the relevant parts of the meeting. I am not expressing an opinion as to what
those parts are, leave that to Bill, but the point is, if we spend that much money to get him there it makes no sense to schedule arrival and departure in a way that misses early or later meetings that we need covered. If we don’t need Thursday covered, fine;
if we do, why fly someone there who won’t be there on Thursday? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org [mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org]
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Stephanie Perrin<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, October 1, 2014 3:47 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] LA Travel Support Request<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">1. they have been doing great work and we need their help in future<br>
2. We should try not to be so last minute...sometimes when you agree to last minute it is useful to say "dont ask for last minute the next time. we will have to turn it down on principle but we are happy to do it this time."<br>
3. What meetings is he missing that you wanted him at...accountability is the biggie in my view, maybe Gabrielle could proxy for him on the phone...ditto for public forum (where he will be missed)<br>
Stephanie<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On 14-10-01 3:36 PM, William Drake wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">We have a request for support to cover a plane trip to LA from Niels at Article 19. As you know, Niels and his colleague Gabrielle have been quite active
since joining NCUC a few months back, having taken the lead on drafting a couple NCSG policy statements including most recently the response to the Council of Europe human rights paper. There will be a number of follow-up HR discussions in LA, including in
the NCUC and NCSG constituency day meetings, a GAC meeting, and (if meeting staff can accommodate with space) a proposed cross-community meeting. As such, I’d think it’d be good for our efforts if Niels could be there, and as we discussed in Istanbul, while
it’s too late to do the whole formalized application process, we could consider offering ad hoc support as we have in the past. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Problem is, at this late date, prices are high, plus he’s looking for a funky itinerary, coming from Sao Paulo to LA and then back home to Amsterdam. He’s
also proposing to leave a tad early, on the Thursday, so missing the meetings on accountability, IANA, and the Public Forum. 1,814.30 GBP = $2,935.33 USD, a thousand more than we are offering as of the Marrakech meeting. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">So we have 4 options: say 1) sorry no; 2) yes ok; 3) ok but a bit less than asked, like $2,500; or 4) $2,000 as we announced. In the latter two, ask if
A19 can’t pick up the difference (in addition to his hotel and other costs). We could of course ask that the standard requirements we set out be met, e.g. participating in all activities, writing a blog about what happened at the meeting of relevance to NCUC,
etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">It’s worth noting that in the past we didn’t set a $2,000 limit, and have covered people serving on the NCSG EC or in other capacities in the $3,000 range.
So it while it’s a bit high, it wouldn’t be unprecedented.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">What do people think? In any event we should give him an answer soon, the meeting’s starting in ten days.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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</span></font></b><font face="Helvetica"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Niels ten Oever <<a href="mailto:niels@article19.org">niels@article19.org</a>></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-weight:bold">Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Announcement: New NCUC Travel Support Policy</span></font></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="3" color="black" face="Helvetica"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";font-weight:bold">Date:
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</span></font></b><font face="Helvetica"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">William Drake <<a href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com">wjdrake@gmail.com</a>></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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Dear Bill,<br>
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I got a flight option for my itinerary for 1814.30 British Pound (see<br>
below). Article19 will pick up the costs for hotel and the rest. Would<br>
that be OK ?<br>
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I would like to attend ICANN LA to work on mainstreaming Human Rights<br>
in ICANN by a) furthering the process around establishing a cross<br>
community working group in ICANN on Human Rights, which could<br>
eventually lead to the establishment of a Human Rights Advisory<br>
Council. This is a process which started with the release of the<br>
report of the council of Europe and which we supported by co-drafting<br>
the NCSG comments on this report. At the ICANN LA meeting there will<br>
be about meeting about this.<br>
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Furthermore I will work on making a Network Map of stakeholders in<br>
NCUC and NCSG to improve the engagement of new users. This process<br>
will lead to the implementation and usage of new tools to make is<br>
easier for new users to engage in the policy processes. I am working<br>
on this with Rafik and Heather Leason.<br>
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Looking forward to hear from you so I can confirm my ticket so the<br>
price won't get even higher.<br>
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Let me know if you have any questions or comments.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Niels<br>
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On 09/28/2014 09:56 AM, William Drake wrote:<br>
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The new open call process doesn’t begin until next year but we can <br>
take proposals on an ad hoc basis, why not. Send me a message<br>
laying out why you should be there (copying below) plus with<br>
specific cost elements, flight and cheap hotel. The closer you can<br>
get to the $2,000 range the better. Your intended itinerary sounds<br>
bloody expensive. Can A19 make up the difference?<br>
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Cheers<br>
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BD<br>
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On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:48 PM, Niels ten Oever <<a href="mailto:niels@article19.org">niels@article19.org</a>>
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Hi Bill,<br>
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I hope this email finds you well. I would like to apply for travel<br>
support for the LA meeting if that would still be possible.<br>
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The main reasons for me to attend are the follow-up meetings around<br>
the Council of Europe report (on which we co-authored the<br>
comments for the NCSG) and the potential establishment of the Human<br>
Rights Advisory Council. Next to that I am working with Rafik (with<br>
support from Heather Leason and Brenden Kuerbis) on improving<br>
information flows in the NCSG. For this I will start making a<br>
Network map [0, 1, 2] at the LA meeting which will help us make<br>
better tools and information flows to engage newcomers in the NCSG<br>
& NCUC in the policy process (by using Confluence, wikis, etc).<br>
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[0] <br>
<a href="http://schoolofdata.org/2014/09/10/how-to-network-mapping-builds-community/">http://schoolofdata.org/2014/09/10/how-to-network-mapping-builds-community/</a><br>
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I would be coming from Sao Paulo (Brazil) and I would be traveling<br>
back to the Amsterdam (Netherlands) after the meeting.<br>
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I hope this works out, let me know if you need more information of <br>
if you have any questions.<br>
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Best,<br>
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Niels<br>
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Niels ten Oever Head of Digital<br>
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Article 19 <a href="http://www.article19.org">www.article19.org</a><br>
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On 09/25/2014 10:26 AM, William Drake wrote:<br>
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The NCUC EC met in Istanbul at the IGF, minutes forthcoming. <br>
One of the things we did was approve a new policy designed<br>
to help active NCUC members attend ICANN meetings. The<br>
language was finalized yesterday and will soon be posted to<br>
the website for future reference, but below is the text.<br>
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It is hoped that this will help us to get more members to <br>
meetings and engaged in our work, while living within the<br>
means of our resources and volunteers’ time. Sorry we can’t<br>
offer more deluxe treatment, but hopefully it will be enough<br>
to facilitate some increased participation nonetheless. I<br>
know of no other civil society coalition working on Internet<br>
governance issues that is doing this, and I’m very happy that<br>
our fundraising (support principally from PIR and CGI.br,<br>
sometimes other contributions) has enabled us to take this<br>
step.<br>
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It is unfortunately too late to do this for the Los Angeles <br>
meeting. However, if there are any members who would meet the<br>
criteria below and who’ve already made plans to attend on<br>
their own steam but are struggling to cover their costs, we<br>
could consider a request or two on an ad hoc basis, probably<br>
at a lower level of support.<br>
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Best,<br>
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Bill<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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