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I agree. In scarce + critical resource settings with a concentrated
market (high HHI) it may be wise to limit certain players' access to
auctions (who may value the resource for defensive purposes with
competition-harming effects, think spectrum).<br>
<br>
But here, I see no problem whatever. And I furthermore think that
the namespace is a rather endless semiotic resource so ... unless
there is evidence of great concentration and defensive moves
foreclosing markets .... I think auctions are a good way to settle.<br>
<br>
And I agree that as Non-comms we should be wary of exposing
ourselves as ideologically anti-business per se.<br>
<br>
Nicolas<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/06/2014 10:00 AM, Milton L
Mueller wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This
is good example of why people often don’t take civil society
seriously.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">You
have here an incident in which a developing country bidder
(Beijing Tele-Info network) just outbid a well-established,
incumbent developed country company (Afilias). And Avri is
moaning that an auction discriminates against developing
countries!
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We
have direct evidence of the opposite of her claim. If this
were based on a beauty contest, on a discretionary board
decision based on <cough> “merit,” who do you think
would have won – the incumbent with strong ties to ICANN
staff and board, or the developing country?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Auctions
are not a measure of “who has the most money,” Auctions
measure who values something the most. I can have
substantially less capital than you but value something more
than you and either raise the money to outbid you or find
the resources myself. I suspect that Afilias has more money
than that Beijing company, they just didn’t value the
‘.info” domain in Chinese more than the Chinese company,
based on their calculations of what they could make from the
resource. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">True,
money is the measure of value here, and thus auctions are
best for resolving contention among commercial parties, but
making money is in fact what is going on with about 90% of
the cases here. And in even noncommercial cases, when
nonprofits lease office space, hire labor, buy professional
services, etc, they are “bidding against” everyone else in
the economy. No one thinks there should be a special
community board to decide what the price of an office should
be for the “special” case of noncommercial use.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Auctions
look even better when you start comparing them to
non-auction based contention resolution. If not auctions,
what? Answer: pure politics. Lobbying, favor-mongering,
corruption. All of which costs money. People who don’t like
auctions typically have a quasi-religious belief that for
any given name, there is One True Owner who has a God-given
right to it, and a non-economic process can magically and
without error locate that One True and Just Owner. I say
that’s B.S.. The problem is that these religious claims,
being, well, religious, cannot be resolved in any rational
way.
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org">ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org</a>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Eranga Samararathna<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 5, 2014 3:51 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Avri Doria<br>
<b>Cc:</b> NCUC-discuss<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Fwd: Results of the First
New gTLD Auction | ICANN New gTLDs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Money
should not be the last resort for resolution.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Eranga.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Avri
Doria <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 05-Jun-14 09:25, William Drake wrote:<br>
> Economists love auctions and they do raise cash,
but one wonders how<br>
> suitable this procedure will be if we ever have
contestation involving<br>
> less well resourced applicants from developing
countries, civil society,<br>
> etc…<br>
><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">deep pockets win.<br>
communities lose<br>
<br>
but no one in power at ICANN cares about communities<br>
<br>
and if there had been applicants from developing
countries or , they<br>
would also lose<br>
<br>
and no one in power at ICANN cares about developing
economies.<br>
<br>
avri<o:p></o:p></p>
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<br>
> Bill<br>
><br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/announcements-and-media/announcement-3-04jun14-en"
target="_blank">
http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/announcements-and-media/announcement-3-04jun14-en</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Results of the First New gTLD Auction<br>
>><br>
>> On 4 June 2014 ICANN through its authorized
auction services provider,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">>> Power Auctions LLC <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.powerauctions.com/" target="_blank">http://www.powerauctions.com/</a>>,
completed the<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">>> first auction to resolve a
contention set for a new generic Top-level<br>
>> Domain (gTLD) string. Contention sets are
groups of applications for<br>
>> identical or confusingly similar strings.<br>
>> Two applicants, Afilias Limited and Beijing
Tele-info Network<br>
>> Technology Co., LTD. applied for the gTLD <span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
信息</span>, (xn--vuq861b), which<br>
>> is a Chinese Internationalized Domain Name
(IDN) for "information" or<br>
>> "info." These two applicants were unable to
resolve the contention set<br>
>> between themselves, and thus proceeded to an
auction, which is the<br>
>> method of last resort to resolve string
contentions as prescribed in<br>
>> Module 4 of the Applicant Guidebook. Beijing
Tele-info Network<br>
>> Technology Co., LTD. prevailed in the auction
for the winning price of<br>
>> $600,000. Additional bidding information is
available in the auction<br>
>> report<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">>> <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/tlds/xn--vuq861b/xn--vuq861b-auction-results-04jun14-en.pdf"
target="_blank">http://www.icann.org/sites/default/files/tlds/xn--vuq861b/xn--vuq861b-auction-results-04jun14-en.pdf</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">>> [PDF, 225 KB]. Subject to
payment of the Winning Price and meeting all<br>
>> other criteria for eligibility, the winner
will begin the contracting<br>
>> process to sign a Registry Agreement to
operate the <span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">
信息</span>,<br>
>> (xn--vuq861b) gTLD.<br>
>> This was the first auction for the New gTLD
program. Subsequent<br>
>> auctions are scheduled<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">>> <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/auctions/schedule-29may14-en.pdf"
target="_blank">http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/auctions/schedule-29may14-en.pdf</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">>> [PDF, 306 KB] to occur on
a monthly basis throughout 2014 and into<br>
>> early 2015. The auction events are designed
to accommodate resolving<br>
>> multiple contention sets simultaneously.<br>
>> For more information on Auctions visit<br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/auctions"
target="_blank">http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/auctions</a>.<br>
>> To view the current contention set status
visit:<br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applicationstatus/stringcontentionstatus"
target="_blank">
https://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applicationstatus/stringcontentionstatus</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> David A. Olive<br>
>> Vice President, Policy Development Support<br>
>> General Manager, ICANN Regional Headquarters
–Istanbul<br>
>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and
Numbers (ICANN)<br>
>><br>
>> Direct Line: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B90.212.381.8727">+90.212.381.8727</a><br>
>> Mobile: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B%201.%20202.341.3611">+ 1. 202.341.3611</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">>> Email: <a
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<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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>> *<o:p></o:p></p>
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>><br>
><br>
> ***********************************************<br>
> William J. Drake<br>
> International Fellow & Lecturer<br>
> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ<br>
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