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In occasion of a meeting in Toronto, <span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Stephanie Perrin and I discussed once again the privacy@ICANN issue & where to bring the conversation forward. To kill the impasse, w</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">e decided to continue
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Cmd+fai clic o tocca per aprire il link" style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">icannpriv@lists.ncuc.org</a>.
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<span style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">- </span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; "><span style="font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif"><span style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; ">Etherpad,
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list and etherpad are </span></span>dedicated to discuss privacy WITHIN ICANN as an organization (aka how ICANN collects and uses our personal data). Broader privacy-related conversations are taking place elsewhere (for example here: <a href="http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/privacy)" id="lnk803463" title="http://mailman.ipjustice.org/listinfo/privacy)
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We hope this will help bringing the conversation forward towards some concrete proposal for improvement. Best, Stefania <br>
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<b>Inviato:</b> domenica 30 marzo 2014 20.45<br>
<b>A:</b> Robin Gross; <privacy@ipjustice.org><br>
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<b>Oggetto:</b> Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] [Privacy] this is a space for privacy work</font>
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<div>Numerous members of the NCUC have already volunteered to work on developing a gap analysis of the existing ICANN privacy policies, with a view to providing advice back to the Board as to what needs to be done to bring ICANN privacy policies up to the expected
levels. Please join in, as you can see from Bruce Tonkin’s note back to us, there is a rather poor web policy, for which I promised to provide a critique. I attach a few other jobs that need to be done rather soon, if anyone would like to volunteer. Here
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<div>OK, perhaps one group of folks would like to have a look at the policy for new Gtlds, available here, and prepare a critique of what is missing (gap analysis)
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Times">gTLD Program is addressed in a separate personal data privacy statement at </span><a href="http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/agb/program-privacy"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Times; color:blue">http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/agb/program-privacy</span></a><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Times">.</span></p>
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<div style="font-family:LucidaGrande">We could also use some help from someone on analysing the transparency and accountability principles, where the disclosure stuff is apparently buried. One of the major criticisms of these policies is that it is very difficult
for a user/participant at ICANN to find out what is happening to their data. </div>
<div style="font-family:LucidaGrande">Another task where I would love some help from an American Attorney, is whether it is legally possible to declare a total disclaimer to breach liability in the state of California, where there are data breach disclosure
rules. (see the following snippet of the policy which I am dubbing a web policy):</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="font-family:LucidaGrande; margin-left:36pt"><span style="font-family:Times">Due to the open communication nature of the Internet, ICANN cannot represent, warrant or guarantee that communications stored on ICANN servers will be free
from unauthorized access by third parties, loss, misuse or alterations. While ICANN will take reasonable and appropriate security measures to protect against unauthorized access, disclosure, alteration or destruction of personal information received, ICANN
DISCLAIMS ANY AND ALL LIABILITY FOR UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS OR USE OR COMPROMISE OF YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION. USERS ARE ADVISED THAT THEY SUBMIT SUCH PERSONAL INFORMATION AT THEIR OWN RISK.</span></p>
<div style="font-family:LucidaGrande">I have to say this is one of the paragraphs that really put me right over the top….caps included.</div>
<div style="font-family:LucidaGrande">Any volunteers for this task, I am working on the three pager and the basic critique of the web policy.</div>
<div style="font-family:LucidaGrande">cheers steph</div>
<div style="font-family:LucidaGrande">PS I have still not found the alleged staff policy, if anyone knows where it is please let me know</div>
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<div>On 26 Mar 2014, at 1:59 pm, Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">I will certainly volunteer to provide the first draft of a commentary on the “privacy policy”. I believe I am already on the hook for that, and if folks can self identify if they have an interest in this area, we can call
it a group and I will send out the marked up copy. If people prefer to use a platform (e.g. googledocs) let us know.
<div>cheers Stephanie Perirn<br>
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<div>On Mar 26, 2014, at 1:43 AM, William Drake <<a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch" target="_blank">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica"><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family:Helvetica">March 25, 2014 at 5:15:07 PM GMT+8<br>
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<div style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica"><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family:Helvetica">William Drake <<a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch" target="_blank">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>><br>
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<div style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica"><b>Cc: </b></span><span style="font-family:Helvetica">Rafik Dammak <<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>>, "marie-laure Lemineur (<a href="mailto:mllemineur@gmail.com" target="_blank">mllemineur@gmail.com</a>)"
<<a href="mailto:mllemineur@gmail.com" target="_blank">mllemineur@gmail.com</a>>, David Cake <<a href="mailto:dave@difference.com.au" target="_blank">dave@difference.com.au</a>>, Maria Farrell <<a href="mailto:maria.farrell@gmail.com" target="_blank">maria.farrell@gmail.com</a>>,
"<a href="mailto:magaly.pazello@gmail.com" target="_blank">magaly.pazello@gmail.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:magaly.pazello@gmail.com" target="_blank">magaly.pazello@gmail.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:kdrstoll@gmail.com" target="_blank">kdrstoll@gmail.com</a>"
<<a href="mailto:kdrstoll@gmail.com" target="_blank">kdrstoll@gmail.com</a>>, "Amr Elsadr (<a href="mailto:aelsadr@egyptig.org" target="_blank">aelsadr@egyptig.org</a>)" <<a href="mailto:aelsadr@egyptig.org" target="_blank">aelsadr@egyptig.org</a>>, Fadi Chehade
<<a href="mailto:fadi.chehade@icann.org" target="_blank">fadi.chehade@icann.org</a>>, John Jeffrey <<a href="mailto:john.jeffrey@icann.org" target="_blank">john.jeffrey@icann.org</a>><br>
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<div>Yes indeed - your addresses were just ones that I had to hand.<br>
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Regards,<br>
Bruce Tonkin<br>
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From: William Drake [<a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch" target="_blank">mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch</a>] <br>
Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2014 5:10 PM<br>
To: Bruce Tonkin<br>
Cc: Rafik Dammak; marie-laure Lemineur (<a href="mailto:mllemineur@gmail.com" target="_blank">mllemineur@gmail.com</a>); David Cake; Maria Farrell; <a href="mailto:magaly.pazello@gmail.com" target="_blank">magaly.pazello@gmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:kdrstoll@gmail.com" target="_blank">kdrstoll@gmail.com</a>;
Amr Elsadr (<a href="mailto:aelsadr@egyptig.org" target="_blank">aelsadr@egyptig.org</a>); Fadi Chehade; John Jeffrey<br>
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Hi Bruce<br>
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Thanks for this. I assume this is an open invitation that we can share with our privacy mavens who are not not on the Cc, correct?<br>
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Best<br>
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Bill<br>
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On Mar 25, 2014, at 4:33 PM, Bruce Tonkin <<a href="mailto:Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au" target="_blank">Bruce.Tonkin@melbourneit.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
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Regarding the discussion of ICANN's use of private information in the NCSG meeting with the Board today.<br>
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With respect to ICANN's policy for collection and use of personal data, we do have a published privacy policy.<br>
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See: <a href="http://www.icann.org/en/help/privacy" target="_blank">http://www.icann.org/en/help/privacy</a><br>
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We would welcome a review of this policy to determine if it needs to be improved. IT was last updated in Oct 2012.<br>
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Also with respect to staff/HR information etc - I will see what information is available on internal policies.<br>
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<div>On Mar 30, 2014, at 2:34 PM, Robin Gross <<a href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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