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<p>Hi everyone, as some of you know the dedicated mailing list is now ready (thanks for Tapani and Brenden) - we can of course rename or kill it anytime, but I just want to make sure everyone knows it is up and running. Stefania<br>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size: 11pt; "><b>Da:</b> ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org <ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org> per conto di Joly MacFie <joly@punkcast.com><br>
<b>Inviato:</b> sabato 29 marzo 2014 11.50<br>
<b>A:</b> William Drake<br>
<b>Cc:</b> NCUC-discuss<br>
<b>Oggetto:</b> Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] ICANN privacy policy</font>
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<div dir="ltr">If the NCSG doesn't have a mailman I don;t see any reason that NCUC couldn't provide that facility to the community. F'rinstance just call it
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<div>But whatever.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 5:28 AM, William Drake <span dir="ltr">
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Hi<br>
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Ok, if the NCUC members who’ve said they want to work on this prefer to carry NPOC and do it as NCSG instead, then NCUC obviously cannot establish it as a NCUC Interest Group with a mailing list and position on our website. NCSG doesn’t have an independent
website but does have space on the Confluence platform, so you could move it there and wiki away.<br>
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Best<br>
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Bill<br>
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On Mar 29, 2014, at 7:29 AM, Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I absolutely like the combined NCSG model, and the work is flowing from a combined NCSG presentation to the Board, so we must honour that. My nervousness about attempting to draft or reach consensus in a large group, is no doubt coloured by my incredulity
at the never-ending stream of talk-no-action coming from the 1-net and IGF discussion lists. Lets give it a go, I will send the message we started with, about drafting the gap analysis, to the NCSG privacy list (assuming I am indeed on it and that it won’t
take a week to rectify if I am not on it) and take it from there. Meantime my principal focus is to get the first draft done.<br>
> Thanks!<br>
> Stephanie<br>
> PS I assume <a href="mailto:privacy@ipjustice.org">privacy@ipjustice.org</a> may have folks who don’t regularly participate at ICANN on it?<br>
> On Mar 28, 2014, at 5:30 AM, Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> Hi,<br>
>><br>
>> I am confused.<br>
>><br>
>> <<a href="mailto:privacy@ipjustice.org">privacy@ipjustice.org</a>> is a relatively small list. Of course it looks like it could get bigger if everyone wants to join, but I don't see that as a problem as long as it does not get as big as NCUc or the NCSG<br>
>><br>
>> I think that doing the work in a smaller open and archived group that focuses on just one subject is a good idea. I also think that we don't need separate privacy etc list for bot NCUC and NCSG. But I am one of the people that is less than excited about
the competing constituency model and prefer the unified NCSG model.<br>
>><br>
>> avri<br>
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>><br>
>> On 28-Mar-14 15:35, Stephanie Perrin wrote:<br>
>>> I understand why you want to do this. This is a working group, to<br>
>>> draft something. I hear rumours there are 350 people on the NCSG<br>
>>> discussion list. I have worked all year trying to get basic, basic<br>
>>> concepts of data protection law understood. I am not sure drafting<br>
>>> this thing in such a big group is efficient. i have no objections<br>
>>> sending the small group's concensus draft from the working group to<br>
>>> the larger list, but I am mindful of Bill's admonition to keep the<br>
>>> traffic low. if we start discussing definitions, frameworks,<br>
>>> jurisdiction, related constitutional protections (remembering there<br>
>>> are at least 50 jurisdictions out there with data protection law,) we<br>
>>> will never get this thing done. It is supposed to be a short gap<br>
>>> analysis of their privacy policy, that is all, not a draft of a new<br>
>>> privacy policy. If that were what we are doing, then maybe we would<br>
>>> have to do it in the bigger group. Just saying. EPIC and PI found it<br>
>>> a total nightmare in recent years trying to update the Privacy and<br>
>>> Human RIghts Law Handbook, it is just too big now (see link<br>
>>> <a href="http://www.worldlii.org/int/journals/EPICPrivHR/2006/PHR2006-Defining.html" target="_blank">
http://www.worldlii.org/int/journals/EPICPrivHR/2006/PHR2006-Defining.html</a>)<br>
>>> I will abide by the decision of this group, but I will also feed my<br>
>>> draft in to the EWG if we bog down and cannot reach agreement. we<br>
>>> have a major admission that they need advice, STeve is happy to get<br>
>>> it, we gotta move. Cheers SP PS Here is the link to the framework I<br>
>>> intend to reference (mostly because it is dated 2002 and I want to<br>
>>> underscore just how late ICANN is in recognizing its<br>
>>> responsibilities), referring of course to recent updates in EU law,<br>
>>> proposed regulation, and the guidance on binding corporate rules from<br>
>>> the Art 29 group.<br>
>>> <a href="http://danskprivacynet.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/ipse_finalreport1.pdf" target="_blank">
http://danskprivacynet.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/ipse_finalreport1.pdf</a>.<br>
>>> If anyone can think of a decent US document to cite, I am all ears,<br>
>>> but I am not aware of one. ________________________________________<br>
>>> From: <a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org">ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org</a><br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org">ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org</a>> on behalf of Avri Doria<br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>> Sent: March 27, 2014 10:11 PM Cc:<br>
>>> <a href="mailto:ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org">ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a> Subject: Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] ICANN privacy<br>
>>> policy<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 27-Mar-14 13:13, Amr Elsadr wrote:<br>
>>>> I think it is important to decide early on wether we are going to<br>
>>>> have separate discussions regarding ICANN’s privacy and data<br>
>>>> protection policies within their own corporate practices and<br>
>>>> within the policies developed through the GNSO impacting<br>
>>>> obligations imposed on contracted parties, or not.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I suggest we stick to one NCSG wide discussion space for all of<br>
>>> this.<br>
>>><br>
>>> avri _______________________________________________ Ncuc-discuss<br>
>>> mailing list <a href="mailto:Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org">Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a><br>
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William J. Drake<br>
International Fellow & Lecturer<br>
Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ<br>
University of Zurich, Switzerland<br>
Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency,<br>
ICANN, <a href="http://www.ncuc.org/" target="_blank">www.ncuc.org</a><br>
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