<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Hi<div><br></div><div>Actually Rudi, there may be a better way. The initial meeting in BA was between NCSG / At Large, so we said three from each. But that was just to get the process started—for the CWG itself, I don’t see any reason why we shouldn’t have representation from the constituency level, rather than the SG. After all, on the CSG side, the BC, IPC, and ISPC are each designating four reps; why should we get four when they have twelve? Eight and twelve would be a bit less asymmetric. Indeed, from a House parity standpoint, one could argue NCSG should have four, Rafik + whomever, although other parties might balk (or perhaps CSG would say well then us too). I assume also that Rgy, Rgr, At Large, GAC, etc. will each get four as well.</div><div><br></div><div>So why doesn’t NPOC simply send notice to the CWG list of four names, and NCUC would do the same?</div><div><br></div><div>Bill<br>
<br><div><div>On Dec 12, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Rudi Vansnick <<a href="mailto:rudi.vansnick@isoc.be">rudi.vansnick@isoc.be</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Dear Bill,<div><br></div><div>So far I was registered for the call yesterday but was unable to join the call due to other meetings. I’m happy to step in the fourth position as NPOC representative, which I consider being a normal process to have democratic representation in/from NCSG.</div><div><br><div apple-content-edited="true">
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<br><div><div>Op 12-dec.-2013, om 07:37 heeft William Drake <<a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>> het volgende geschreven:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">on the construction of the Community Working Group on IG. As per the meeting with At Large in BA, NCSG is currently represented by me, Avri, and Rafik. The agreement is to have up to four. I’d have thought the fourth should be NPOC, but was told NPOC people are aware but didn’t put anyone forward. So I guess we could suggest a fourth?<div><br></div><div>Formal seats on the CWG aside, the deal apparently is that anyone can join the mailing list or listen in on the calls. If you want to sign up, as some NCUCers have already, go to <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ccwg-internet-governance" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ccwg-internet-governance</a></div><div><br></div><div>Best</div><div><br></div><div>Bill<br>
<div><br><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica;"><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';">Evan Leibovitch <<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org">evan@telly.org</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica;"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';"><b>Re: [ccwg-internet-governance] What is open, what is limited?</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica;"><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';">December 11, 2013 at 9:48:51 PM GMT+1<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica;"><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';">Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica;"><b>Cc: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica';">"<a href="mailto:ccwg-internet-governance@icann.org">ccwg-internet-governance@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:ccwg-internet-governance@icann.org">ccwg-internet-governance@icann.org</a>><br></span></div><br><div><div dir="ltr">Thanks, Olivier. I fully agree with this course of action.<div><br></div><div>Regarding the (optional!) group Skype chat that was mentioned during the call; this has been set up but has not been fully populated.</div>
<div><br></div><div>If you wish to be added to the chat you need to be added by someone already there, which right now includes the ALAC and NCSG people plus Ken Stubbs, Michele Neylon, Renate Dewulf and Tracy Hackshaw. Or feel free to contact me (not the list!) with your skype ID and I will add you.</div>
<div><br></div><div>- Evan</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 11 December 2013 15:31, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank">ocl@gih.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Dear Bill,<br>
<br>
thanks for this note and apologies for going through this quickly at
the end of the call.<br>
<br>
There are several aspects to our working lists & conference
calls and this is what I suggest:<br>
<br>
<b>Transparency</b><br>
As ICANN is open to all participation and in the interest of
transparency, our conference calls as well as our mailing list
should be "open" to everyone.<br>
<br>
<b>Speaking/Writing rights</b><br>
With the premise that anyone can dial in on a conference call and
anyone can subscribe to the mailing list (for convenience I figured
it would be better to have a mailing list that's open for everyone
to subscribe to rather than asking people to read the proceedings on
the mailing list's archive) the question then comes to the
differentiation between observers and WG members.<br>
<br>
- Calls<br>
Everyone can dial into the call but only officially designated
representatives (ie: members of the CCWG) can speak/intervene.
People dialled in the call that do not have a right to speak can
channel their input through their official representatives. The
person Chairing the call & Staff will make sure this guideline
is adhered to.<br>
<br>
- Mailing list<br>
Everyone can be subscribed to the mailing list but only Official
designated representatives (ie. members of the CCWG) may post to the
list. Observers of the CCWG have their "moderation flag on" which
means any posting from them will go to the list moderator which at
the moment is Staff - so it doesn't get distributed to everyone.
Again, this is done in order to have observers channel their input
through their designated members.<br>
The moderation flag is something which Staff will need to set
manually but it is straight forward.<br>
<br>
<b>In Camera Discussions</b><br>
<br>
From time to time, there might be a need for the WG to work "in
camera" during a conference call - ie. confidentially. The recording
will be stopped and all participants on the call accounted for, with
any non WG participants (observers) asked to leave the call. At this
stage, I do not expect any "in camera" discussions, but I've said
that many times in past working groups until the day when we needed
to have such a discussion.<br>
<br>
We could be picky and give "official observers" a special status so
they could remain in the "in camera" discussions if we wanted to.<br>
<br>
I hope this proposal is satisfactory for everyone. Feedback
appreciated.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<div><div class="h5"><br>
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<div>On 11/12/2013 18:17, William Drake
wrote:<br>
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Hi
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<div>I’m on Skype with a bunch of people trying to understand what
Olivier said quickly at the end of the call and whether it is
the group consensus. </div>
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<div>Is the deal that we agree</div>
<div><br>
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<div>1. 4 designated reps formally on the CWG</div>
<div>2. Those reps or their alternates participate in the
conference calls</div>
<div>3. However, the mailing list would be open to anyone in the
community, so we can give out the URL to sign up</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Is that right?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Bill<br>
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<div>On Dec 11, 2013, at 7:03 PM, Louis Lee <<a href="mailto:louie@louie.net" target="_blank">louie@louie.net</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Dear Olivier,</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">The ASO Address Council have come
to full consensus on forwarding the names of following
three volunteers to the NRO Executive Council for ASO
endorsement:</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<ul>
<li>Filiz Yilmaz<br>
</li>
<li>Naresh Ajwani<br>
</li>
<li>Martin Levy<br>
</li>
</ul>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">I will stay on the list and join
conference calls (as I'm able to) as an observer for the
time being.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Ergys & Renate,</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">In anticipation of ASO
endorsement, please subscribe all 3 of them to this CCWG
mailing list. Please also provide them as well as
myself with access to the CCWG wiki.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Thank you!</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Louie Lee</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Chair, ICANN ASO Address Council</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">In anticipation of this
endorsement, would you please </div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 12:09
PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank">ocl@gih.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Dear Michele,<br>
<br>
thanks for this. Excellent to hear James is
joining. I have asked Ergys to add him because I
don't have the ability to add anyone to the
mailing list. So if you need to add people and
that includes the request from Elisa too, please
email <a href="mailto:ergys.ramaj@icann.org" target="_blank">ergys.ramaj@icann.org</a> who is
the Staff member supporting the WG and he'll add
the names to the list.<br>
Kind regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier</div>
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