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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I agree with Mark—internet freedom and “protecting” a special class of someone are generally at odds with each other.<o:p></o:p></span></a></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Eric<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><a href="http://keyserver.pgp.com/vkd/DownloadKey.event?keyid=0xE0F58E0F1AF7E6F2"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0563C1'>OpenPGP</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>: 0x1AF7E6F2 </span><span style='font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>●</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Shell Dlg 2","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Skype: oneota </span><span style='font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>● </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>XMPP/OTR: </span><a href="mailto:berekum@jabber.ccc.de"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0563C1'>berekum@jabber.ccc.de</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:13.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>● </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Silent Circle: +1 312 614-0159</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"MS Shell Dlg 2","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org [mailto:ncuc-discuss-bounces@lists.ncuc.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Leiser<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 28, 2013 18.49<br><b>To:</b> Andrei Barburas<br><b>Cc:</b> Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org; Hago Dafalla<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [NCUC-DISCUSS] Protect The Children From the Dangers of the Internet Workshop<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sorry - completely disagree. "Protecting children" is often abused and used a mantra for imposing government control, filters, and other forms of control on the Internet. 90% of all child abuse comes WITHIN the home, NOT the Internet. I want no part of any NCUC position or letters arguing greater control over the Internet in the name of protecting children, and would campaign against the NCUC taking any measures to do so. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Mark<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#500050'>Mark Leiser, BS, LLB (Hon) | PhD Candidate | University of Strathclyde | Faculty of Humanities and Social Science | The Law School l Centre for Internet Law and Policy | PGR Room, 141 St. James Road | Lord Hope Building | Glasgow G4 OLT | Tel. +44 7719739090<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#500050'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'>Email: </span><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#500050'><a href="mailto:markleiser@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>markleiser@gmail.com</span></a></span><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'> </span><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#500050'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/#!/mleiser" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/#!/mleiser</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'>LinkedIN: <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=189149411&trk=tab_pro" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=189149411&trk=tab_pro</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222'>Google+: <a href="https://plus.google.com/u/0/105289982691060086995/posts" target="_blank">https://plus.google.com/u/0/105289982691060086995/posts</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Andrei Barburas <<a href="mailto:abarburas@iicd.org" target="_blank">abarburas@iicd.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Hello Hago,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>While I completely agree with you, I think we should also focus a bit on the parents, not only the kids. I believe we can all agree that Child Protection, both online and offline, is extremely important, but I also believe that parents should also have a relatively clear understanding of what is happening and what are the risks of not being "careful" with the amount of freedom they give their kids. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#6D90A6'>Andrei Barburas</span></b><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#6D90A6'>CRSO/IO</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#6D90A6'>International Institute for Communication and Development (IICD)</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#6D90A6'>P.O. 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Adults have to maintain and protect them against threats. Young people and children are frequent users of information and communication technology and the Internet, and therefore they need to be aware of and should be kept informed of the risks and responsibilities on the Internet. The main objective of this Propsed Workshop is to make communities in all developing countries understand protect children from the dangers of the Internet is an important part of cyber security. The spread of cybercrime may lead to malfunction may threaten the whole of society in the economy, sovereignty and national security, including requiring protection mission and strategic sites through the use of modern techniques and methods developed in the early detection for penetration operations so as not to affect the community. increasing Internet crime and numerous forms and forms not only to break into networks and sabotage or theft of information and data only. The most important Internet crimes are Internet crimes against children, also appeared moral crimes such as kidnapping, extortion, murder and sexual harassment and ease of control of children, so that the offender make kids give him their personal and family data spontaneously and others.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>I had presentation titled Protect The Children From the Dangers of the Internet in African Internet Governance forum in Nairobi, Kenya. I organized two workshops titled workshop titled Online Child Protection in the Arab Region: Studies and Legislation in Arab Internet Governance forum, Algeria, Algeria and The Workshop titled Protection of the Most vulnerable Children Online with the TaC - Together against Cybercrime int, in IGF, Bali.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'> I suggest to organize workshops in the protection of children from the dangerous of internet in the next ICANN meeting in Singapore as part of NCUC activities. Please confirm.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'> Looking forward to hearing from you soon<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'> Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#888888'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#888888'>Hago Dafalla<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#888888'>Member of NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#888888'>Sudan<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#888888'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#888888'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#888888'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#888888'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#888888'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Ncuc-discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org" target="_blank">Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Ncuc-discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org">Ncuc-discuss@lists.ncuc.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.ncuc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ncuc-discuss</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>