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Hi Bill and all<br>
I think the idea of a policy workshop is a good one.<br>
Ed, there is still plenty of time in constituency meetings to
organise on policy positions. I think a public workshop among those
of us with some quite strongly held differing views about a topic
would be a good thing to do and a sign of our constituency openness.<br>
Cheers<br>
Joy<br>
<br>
<br>
On 28/05/2013 9:52 a.m., Edward Morris wrote:<br>
<span style="white-space: pre;">><br>
><br>
> On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Avri Doria <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:avri@acm.org"><mailto:avri@acm.org></a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> hi,<br>
><br>
> sorry it took my so long to read the whole thing.<br>
> I had only read the first paragraph and said what do i
care about an NCUC workshop.<br>
><br>
> But after all the controversy etc, i decided to actually
go back and read it.<br>
> Biil, its brilliant.<br>
> Really, i think a good debate that edifies on a topic
everyone is buzzing about is just the ticket.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Hi Avri,<br>
><br>
> Thanks for responding. I wish we could get some more input on
the isssue.<br>
><br>
> I like Bill, I respect Bill, on this question I disagree with
Bill. <br>
><br>
> We are not an educational organisation. We are an advocacy
group. Open / closed is a question we're divided on. I think it's
a great issue for the Internet Governance Forum and I'm sure it
will be a blockbuster session in Bali that will keep people awake
and talking. I came close to sleeping often in Baku during some of
the sessions and the fact that under Bill's leadership we'll be
doing interesting and vibrant programming in Bali is a great plus.
But...<br>
><br>
> ICANN is a different matter. There we should be using
programming to push our positions, purposeful education if you
will. We're pretty unified on the problems with the GAC, staff
rule, privacy in WHOIS...we have the Recon, the whole policy/
implementation thing...and we're going to give a balanced program
on an issue we're divided on? Why? As a group it doesn't matter
which way the Board goes. Some of us will be happy, some of us
will be sad, many of us will be conflicted or don't care.<br>
><br>
> To justify this by saying it's linked to our IGF
presentation,,,that's the tail wagging the dog. Our first
priority, the reason we exist, is ICANN. I see no necessary
connection between communication output at both events.<br>
><br>
> I would rather use the opportunity on site programming offers
to kick start a dead issue like UDRP Review than to highlight an
issue we're divided on. Even better let's get people talking about
the MS issues you (Avri) are highlighting in your great petition.
Heck, we could use the programming to kick off the petition drive.<br>
><br>
> I would be interested in hearing what others think. <br>
><br>
> Ed<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
> cheers,<br>
><br>
> avri<br>
><br>
> On 25 May 2013, at 12:20, William Drake wrote:<br>
><br>
> > Hello<br>
> ><br>
> > The IGF's Multistakeholder Advisory Group met here
in Geneva over the past few days, and we approved the main lines
of the IGF meeting in Bali 22-25 October. The workshop proposals
put forth by NCUC and its members fared well in the review process
and should all go forward. Official confirmation is pending,
needed first are some last looks at the approved workshops as a
group and efforts to prompt mergers between related sessions etc.<br>
> ><br>
> > On another front, we have several events under
consideration for the ICANN Duban meeting 14-18 July. First, it
appears that NCUC member the Association for Progressive
Communication will be organizing a capacity building 'winter
school' on Internet governance for some government and stakeholder
attendees just prior to the ICANN meeting, i.e. 10-12 (Wed. -
Friday) July. This will likely be held off site at a university
campus. The last session on Friday will be a joint event
organized by NCUC on how we work in GNSO and how to get involved
etc. This could be sort of a prequel to broader workshop I
proposed for Bali, Civil Society in ICANN?s Multistakeholderism:
The GNSO Case
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=249">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=249</a>.
Basically, it'd be an outreach effort geared toward African civil
society in particular. Afterwards, NCUC will sponsor a reception
for attendees?nothing swank obviously, but a good bridge building
opportunity.<br>
> ><br>
> > I am also talking with staff about securing a space
within the main ICANN Durban program for an NCUC workshop. A
priori, on both substantive and effort optimization grounds I'm
inclined to do another prequel, this one to our IGF Bali workshop,
The Debate on ?Closed? Generic Top Level Domains
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=253">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=253</a>.
After all, it'd be nice to sponsor a debate on a hot topic in
front of a full ICANN crowd a couple of days before the Board may
take action one way or another on the matter (although that
expectation could mean some push back from ICANN on the topic,
we'll see). This seems like a useful contribution we can make,
and we have members and other colleagues who'll be in Durban who
have strong views on the various sides of the matter who could
serve as speakers. The other option I thought about was to
broaden the focus and do a workshop on the GAC's Beijing
Communique, and the community responses to it. But this might be
seen in a less favorable light in some quarters, plus we can get
into that via the closed topic anyway.<br>
> ><br>
> > Staff are asking for me to submit the workshop
request within a few days, so time's a bit pressed. I'd be
interested to hear from members if the above sounds ok, or if
there's another workshop topic we ought to be considering.
Needless to say, if we were to strike out in a new direction
rather than take the path of least resistance with a closed
generic prequel, there'd have to be a group effort to organize it,
starting fairly soon.<br>
> ><br>
> > Thanks,<br>
> ><br>
> > Bill<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >
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> > William J. Drake<br>
> > International Fellow & Lecturer<br>
> > Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ<br>
> > University of Zurich, Switzerland<br>
> > Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency,<br>
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