<p>Yap! Great conversation. Thank you, Mr. Drake :-)</p>
<p>--sent from a handheld-- excuse brevity and any typos--</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Apr 2, 2013 3:53 PM, "Kathy Kleiman" <<a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

  
    
  
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    <div>Great, it sounds like a good idea - and
      a good debate, Bill!<br>
      Tx for submitting,<br>
      Kathy<br>
      :<br>
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      <div>I didn't have a lot of time due to deadlines to debate this
        with folks in advance, but FWIW I put in a Fast Track budget
        request to ICANN for NCUC to hold a workshop/debate on the topic
        at the IGF Bali.  Since even with NCUC there are strongly
        differen views, we should be able to have a rather lively
        multistakeholder debate if approved.</div>
      <div><br>
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      <div>I also put in a joint proposal for NCSG/NCUC/NPOC for a
        workshop on CS @ GNSO, what works, what doesn't, some critical
        analysis plus outreach to potential new participants.</div>
      <div><br>
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      <div>Both visible at <a href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/view-proposals" target="_blank">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/view-proposals</a>
        just search on my name if interested.</div>
      <div><br>
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      <div>Best,</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Bill<br>
        <br>
        <div>
          <div>On Apr 2, 2013, at 12:51 AM, Kathy Kleiman <<a href="mailto:Kathy@kathykleiman.com" target="_blank">Kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>>
            wrote:</div>
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              <div>For those of us deeply
                concerned about Closed Generic TLDs, there seems to be
                some indication that the GAC is moving forward on some
                recommendations in this area.... but the GAC wording
                posted by Robin below is fairly obscure, and we'll learn
                more in Beijing!<br>
                <br>
                Best,<br>
                Kathy<br>
                :<br>
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              <blockquote type="cite"> our paternalistic GAC and their censorship
                plans for the Internet ....<br>
                <div><br>
                  <div>Begin forwarded message:</div>
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                    <div><b>From: </b>David Olive <<a href="mailto:david.olive@icann.org" target="_blank">david.olive@icann.org</a>></div>
                    <div><b>Date: </b>April 1, 2013 5:34:20 AM PDT</div>
                    <div><b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:soac-infoalert@icann.org" target="_blank">soac-infoalert@icann.org</a>"
                      <<a href="mailto:soac-infoalert@icann.org" target="_blank">soac-infoalert@icann.org</a>></div>
                    <div><b>Subject: </b><b>[Soac-infoalert] GAC draft
                        gTLD agenda for Beijing and advice to the ICANN
                        Board on controversial or sensitive strings and
                        applications</b></div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <div><a href="https://gacweb.icann.org/display/gacweb/Governmental+Advisory+Committee" target="_blank">https://gacweb.icann.org/display/gacweb/Governmental+Advisory+Committee</a></div>
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                            <div>31 March 2013</div>
                            <div>GAC draft gTLD agenda for Beijing and
                              advice to the ICANN Board on controversial
                              or sensitive strings and applications</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>As the New gTLD Program moves forward,
                              the GAC is making preparations for
                              delivering further advice on new
                              gTLDs.  This advice constitutes a key
                              element of the overall process as outlined
                              in the Applicant Guidebook (AG).</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>As anticipated, GAC Member Early
                              Warnings were issued on November 20, 2012,
                              and applicants and GAC Members have been
                              exchanging information with the aim of
                              reaching an understanding or agreement on
                              concerns raised, wherever possible.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>In terms of the next phase, described
                              in module 3.1 of the AG, the GAC as a
                              whole will be discussing its advice on new
                              gTLDs.  These sessions are organized into
                              two parts:</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Part I  Safeguard advice on the basis
                              of categories of strings</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>The GAC discussions will proceed on the
                              basis of advice to safeguard categories of
                              strings that raise concerns, or potential
                              concerns, for governments.  There are
                              currently nine draft categories of strings
                              proposed for the GAC’s Beijing
                              agenda.  Six were identified in the GAC
                              Toronto Communique:</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>   Consumer protection</div>
                            <div>   Strings that are linked to regulated
                              market sectors, such as the financial,
                              health and charity sectors</div>
                            <div>   Competition issues</div>
                            <div>   Strings that have broad or multiple
                              uses or meanings, and where one entity is
                              seeking exclusive use</div>
                            <div>   Religious terms where the applicant
                              has no, or limited, support from the
                              relevant religious organisations or the
                              religious community.</div>
                            <div>   Minimising the need for defensive
                              registrations</div>
                            <div>   Protection of geographic names</div>
                            <div>   Intellectual property rights
                              particularly in relation to strings aimed
                              at the distribution of music, video and
                              other digital material</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Three additional categories have now
                              been proposed for consideration:</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>   Support for applications submitted
                              by global authorities</div>
                            <div>   Corporate Identifier gTLDs</div>
                            <div>   Strings that represent inherent
                              government functions and/or activities</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>As the GAC looks at these nine
                              categories, and how they would apply to
                              strings and applications falling under
                              these categories, the number of safeguard
                              categories or titles of the categories
                              could change.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Part II  GAC advice/objections on
                              specific applications</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Twenty specific applications have been
                              brought forward by a GAC Member or Members
                              for consideration by the GAC.  The GAC
                              Member(s) putting forward these
                              applications have linked them to the
                              following categories:</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Community name where the applicant does
                              not have support from the community or the
                              government: 1</div>
                            <div>Consumer protection: 2</div>
                            <div>Name of an Intergovernmental
                              Organisation (IGO): 1</div>
                            <div>Protection of geographic names: 9</div>
                            <div>Religious terms: 2</div>
                            <div>Strings applied for that represent
                              inherent government functions and/or
                              activities: 3</div>
                            <div>Support for applications submitted by
                              global authorities: 2</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>The Operating Principles of the GAC
                              outline the consensus-based approach of
                              the Committee and will serve as a key
                              reference for the GAC in its
                              deliberations.</div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>The GAC looks forward to the upcoming
                              meetings and holding exchanges with the
                              ICANN Board and community on these and
                              other important matters.</div>
                          </div>
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                                </span></div>
                              <div><span>--</span></div>
                              <div><span>David A. Olive</span></div>
                              <div>
                                <div><span>Vice
                                    President, Policy Development
                                    Support</span><span><br>
                                  </span><span>Internet

                                    Corporation for Assigned Names and
                                    Numbers (ICANN)</span><span><br>
                                  </span><span>1101
                                    New York Avenue, NW - Suite 930 </span></div>
                                <div><span>Washington,
                                    D.C.    20005</span><span><br>
                                  </span><span>Office:

                                    202.570.7126      Mobile:
                                     202.341.3611</span></div>
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