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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">In my individual capacity and as a NCUC
ExCom member, I want to share my opinion: I think it would be
appropriate and important to file an Ombudsman complaint against
ICANN senior staff for violating the organization's policy
development process. Just to informally raise the voice of NCSG
and even GNSO positions have not resulted in a rectification of
the problems, so to initiate a higher level official complaint is
a necessary next step.<br>
<br>
Norbert Klein<br>
<br>
<br>
On 3/27/2013 5:11 AM, Brenden Kuerbis wrote:<br>
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<div>-- Brenden<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 5:54 PM, joy <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:joy@apc.org" target="_blank">joy@apc.org</a>></span>
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+1 - I am happy to support this idea.<br>
Joy<br>
<div class="im"><br>
On 27/03/2013 9:47 a.m., William Drake wrote:<br>
> +1<br>
><br>
> Get some allies<br>
><br>
> On Mar 26, 2013, at 8:28 PM, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu">Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu</a><br>
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<div class="im">> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu">Mary.Wong@law.unh.edu</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
>> I agree that the Council would be the appropriate
filer in this<br>
>> case. As I mentioned in a different message,
there seems to be a<br>
>> pattern that decisions are being made outside the
GNSO policy<br>
>> processes - although that may be proven to not be
the case in<br>
>> one or more of the instances we've discussed on
this list. In<br>
>> any event I think it would be useful and
appropriate for the<br>
>> Council to discuss this directly, and hope our
Councilors can<br>
>> support this action. It seems to me also that
before introducing<br>
>> the motion it may be worth investigating whether
a Councilor from<br>
>> a different SG/House would be prepared to second
it.<br>
>><br>
>> Cheers Mary<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Mary W S Wong Professor of Law Faculty Chair,
Global IP<br>
>> Partnerships Chair, Graduate IP Programs
UNIVERSITY OF NEW<br>
>> HAMPSHIRE SCHOOL OF LAW Two White Street Concord,
NH 03301 USA<br>
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>> Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mary.wong@law.unh.edu">mary.wong@law.unh.edu</a>
<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mary.wong@law.unh.edu">mary.wong@law.unh.edu</a>><br>
<div class="im">>> Phone: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:1-603-513-5143" value="+16035135143">1-603-513-5143</a>
Webpage:<br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php"
target="_blank">http://www.law.unh.edu/marywong/index.php</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>>>><br>
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>> *From: * Avri Doria <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:avri@ACM.ORG">avri@ACM.ORG</a> <mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:avri@ACM.ORG">avri@ACM.ORG</a>>>
*To:*<br>
>> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>>>
*Date: * 3/26/2013 3:23<br>
>> PM *Subject: * Re: [NCSG-Discuss] Should NCSG
consider filing<br>
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<div class="h5">>> an ombudsman complaint against
ICANN senior staff for violating<br>
>> the organization's policy development process?<br>
>><br>
>> Hi<br>
>><br>
>> I can support the NCSG filling such a
complaint, though it would<br>
>> be better for the GNSO Council to file it.<br>
>><br>
>> Perhaps we can first introduce it as a motion
for the next<br>
>> g-council meeting, and if the council decides
against it, then<br>
>> we could do it independently.<br>
>><br>
>> avri<br>
>><br>
>> On 26 Mar 2013, at 15:14, Robin Gross wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> I think NCSG should consider filing an
ombudsman complaint<br>
>>> against<br>
>> the organization's senior management for
violating the<br>
>> organization's policy development process by
adopting staff's<br>
>> "strawman solution" which never went through
proper process (or<br>
>> any process for that matter).<br>
>>><br>
>>> The most dangerous part of staff's adopted
proposal creates<br>
>> unprecedented new rights for trademark holders
with this "once<br>
>> infringed" theory of new rights to TM+50
derivations of that<br>
>> mark. This particular proposal was stitched
together by TM<br>
>> lobbyists and staff when NCSG wasn't even in
the room - because<br>
>> it was 10pm at night in LA and I had left for
my flight on<br>
>> staff's assurances that no policy discussions
would take place<br>
>> that evening. ALAC wasn't in the room either
(although Evan &<br>
>> Alan participated remotely on the phone in the
middle of their<br>
>> night).<br>
>>><br>
>>> The GNSO Council said don't adopt this
policy.<br>
>>><br>
>>> ICANN staff admitted the proposal was a
policy decision and<br>
>>> not an<br>
>> implementation decision - a key distinction in
staff's ability<br>
>> to make decisions. [Although the first time
staff published its<br>
>> report on the mtg's discussion of that
proposal, staff's blog<br>
>> report differed from what the CEO stated to
meeting participants<br>
>> and said this proposal had been characterized
as an<br>
>> "implementation" decision by mtg participants.
It took some<br>
>> persistence and insistence from mtg
participants to correct<br>
>> staff's blog post and classify this proposal as
"policy" - which<br>
>> was the truth of what the LA mtg participants
had said. Finally<br>
>> staff gave-in, as I was not the only one to
complain about the<br>
>> inaccurate reporting, and they changed the
web-posting to<br>
>> reflect that the group - and staff - had
classified this proposal<br>
>> as "policy, and not implementation" at the LA
mtg. The CEO<br>
>> apologize for staff's "mistake". I'm sure it's
all another<br>
>> coincidence...]<br>
>>><br>
>>> The CEO told Congress only a few weeks'
previously that ICANN<br>
>>> could<br>
>> not adopt such a policy - in part because it
creates new rights<br>
>> (and ICANN isn't supposed to creating new
rights).<br>
>>><br>
>>> The above doesn't even go into the
underlying substance of the<br>
>> particular (TM+50) proposal (which turns
trademark law on its<br>
>> head). How is anyone going to criticize a
company or product<br>
>> that was "found to abused" by someone else,
somewhere else, in<br>
>> an entirely unrelated circumstance? This
proposal actually<br>
>> thumbs its nose at trademark law because
trademark law recognizes<br>
>> that "once infringed" does not create some
magical new category<br>
>> of rights that is allowed to trample on the
expression rights of<br>
>> all the innocent and lawful uses of a word
(that resembles a<br>
>> trademark). But I'll save the complaints about
how nonsensical<br>
>> the substance of this proposal is for another
email. This email<br>
>> is just about the insanity of ICANN senior
staff attempting to<br>
>> usurp the bottom-up policy development process
to appease<br>
>> powerful political interests.<br>
>>><br>
>>> If ICANN staff refuses to follow the
organization's own stated<br>
>> policies, the Ombudsman is supposed to be able
to intercede, no?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Best, Robin<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> IP JUSTICE Robin Gross, Executive Director
1192 Haight Street,<br>
>>> San Francisco, CA 94117 USA p: <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%2B1-415-553-6261"
value="+14155536261">+1-415-553-6261</a> f:<br>
>>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B1-415-462-6451" value="+14154626451">+1-415-462-6451</a>
w: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ipjustice.org" target="_blank">http://www.ipjustice.org</a><br>
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>>> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ipjustice.org/" target="_blank">http://www.ipjustice.org/</a>>
e:<br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a>
<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:robin@ipjustice.org">robin@ipjustice.org</a>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>><br>
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