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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Thanks Robin,<br>
<br>
Seems the indications should be clear to everyone. Even so called
nonprofit organizations have highly paid representation and
overhead expense, so thus have budget concerns. In effect they
act in accord with commercial interests. The C.... Y... A..
effect is human nature.<br>
<br>
Lou<br>
<br>
On 2/25/2013 12:20 PM, Robin Gross wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:5C7AD7F3-256A-4AF0-BD5A-D1F8A4D1DFF7@ipjustice.org"
type="cite">
<div>Interesting snap-shot of groups who want special privileges
to domain names and have come to ICANN for them.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>In this working group to make recommendations to give special
privileges to certain organizations,</div>
<div> At least 4 representatives of the Red Cross (in 1 form or
another).</div>
<div> 3 reps from the Int'l Olympic Cmte (IOC)</div>
<div> 5 reps from other IGO's, "the me too gang" <br>
<div><br>
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<div>Even still, a relatively small investment for one of these
groups to participate in an ICANN working group will yield
hugely lucrative rewards if their lobbyists are successful.</div>
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<div>Robin</div>
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<div>Begin forwarded message:</div>
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IGO INGO (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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With updated member attendance: MP3 IGO-INGO
Protections Policy Development Process (PDP) Working
Group - 20 February 2013</b></font></div>
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black; ">Attendees:</span></span><span
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm;
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serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span
class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:
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black; ">Jim Bikoff – IPC/IOC</span></span><span
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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black; ">Avri Doria – NCSG</span></span><span
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span
class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:
11.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
black; ">Chuck Gomes - RySG</span></span><span
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span
class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:
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black; ">Alan Greenberg - ALAC</span></span><span
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:
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black; ">Catherine Gribbin - Red Cross</span></span><span
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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black; " lang="EN-US">Stephane Hankins<span
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rgb(31, 73, 125); " lang="EN-US">–</span></span><span
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black; " lang="EN-US"><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><span
class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:
11.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "
lang="EN-US">International Committee of the Red
Cross</span></span><span style="font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; " lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span
class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:
11.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
black; ">David Heasley - IPC/IOC</span></span><span
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span
class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:
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black; ">Kiran Malancharuvil - IPC/IOC</span></span><span
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span
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black; ">Christopher Rassi - Red Cross</span></span><span
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span
class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:
11.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
black; ">Thomas Rickert – NCA –Working group
chair</span></span><span style="font-family:
Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm;
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serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span
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black; ">Claudia MacMaster Tamarit - ISO</span></span><span
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span
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black; ">Mary Wong - NCUC</span></span><span
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span
class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:
11.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;
color: black; ">Mason Cole - GNSO Council vice
chair - RrSG</span></span><span
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm;
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serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span
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black; ">Lanre Ajayi - NCA</span></span><span
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm;
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serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span
class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:
11.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
black; ">Debra Hughes - NPOC</span></span><span
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm;
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serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span
class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:
11.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
black; ">Wolfgang Kleinwachter – NCSG</span></span><span
class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:
11.5pt; " lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></span></div>
<div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm;
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serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
black; " lang="EN-US">Ricardo Guilherme – RySG</span><o:p></o:p></div>
<div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm;
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serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
black; " lang="EN-US">Joanne Teng – WIPO (
standing in for David Roache-Turner)<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
black; " lang="EN-US">Sam Paltridge - OECD<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm;
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serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "
lang="EN-US">Gregory Shatan - IPC<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; " lang="EN-US">David Roache-Turner -
WIPO<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
black; " lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
black; " lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span
class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:
11.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
black; ">Apologies:</span></span><span
style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
black; "><o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif; margin-top: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span
class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:
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Cobb:Welcome to the 20 FEB 2013 IGO-INGO
Conference call.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Guilherme (UPU):HI Berry and Nathalie - I will
be absent for a few minutes but should re-join
shortly<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Peregrine:Noted Ricardo.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Guilherme (UPU):back<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Malancharuvil:Good afternoon, Jim Bikoff,
David Heasley and myself on the call as well
as in chat.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Malancharuvil:Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Peregrine:Thank you Kiran, noted!<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Greenberg:Waiting to get on...<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Peregrine:Mary Wong has joined the AC room<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Greenberg:on now<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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too (sorry, was waiting for the operator for a
while)<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Doria:misserd it was on mute. ok, another
time.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Peregrine:Stephane Hankins has joined the call<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Greenberg:Thomas, you are saying General
Council/Counsel in stead of GNSO Council.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Peregrine:Debra Hughes has joined the call<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Peregrine:Iliya Bazlyankov sends apologies for
this call<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Malancharuvil/Jim Bikoff (IOC):@Alan - it's
against the law to cybersquat using someone
else's words/marks. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.wto.com">http://www.wto.com</a>
is the biggest example of "claiming to be" or
confusing as to whether the page is that of
WTO or not.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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MacMaster Tamarit:Agree with Kiran here.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Malancharuvil/Jim Bikoff (IOC):Also, regarding
Avri's comment, just because an organization
controls a number of domain names acros
multiple TLDs doesn't mean we are not harmed
by that. The need for defensive registration
is a harm.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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MacMaster Tamarit:Exactly Kiran.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Guilherme (UPU):+1 to IOC's remarks above<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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understand that some feel the existsnce of
Harm is not a necessary condition. Some on
the other hand do beleive it is a necessary
condition. We have yet to detemrine that it
is a violation of law, or to what degree it
is a violation of law. Exactly what is the
violation of law: the full name, an
infixx/suffix/prefix usage, a typo based
defintion? Are they all violations of law?
If so please someone shows us this law and the
specifics that support these broad
interpretations.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Malancharuvil/Jim Bikoff (IOC):We have
provided a lot of guidance on these questions,
but are waiting for the GC to answer the
questions as no one seems to take the
organizations' word for it. Incidentally, it
is not just that we don't "believe" that a
showing of actual harm is a necessary
condition, but rather that the law does not
require such a showing.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Malancharuvil/Jim Bikoff (IOC):+1 Ricardo<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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encourage the group to consider that this
chart doesn't capture domain names that were
obtained from third parties or subject to
previous enforcement action; also the harm
ifor RCRC is the allocation of resources
(personal/financial) to manage abuses that
should not have been allows under the GC in
the first instance.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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law may not require it in some specific case
or uses. And it may not require it for some
IGO/INGO etc... Are you claiming that the Law
exempts the necessary showing of harm in ICANN
policy for all usages and all IGO/INGO?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Doria:Whatever Law protects, the law
protects. For the rest policy must determine
what is or is not necessary for special
protection. Harm may be a necessary element
for policy.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Malancharuvil/Jim Bikoff (IOC):I would refer
you back to the laws cited by each individual
organization in question to answer your
questions. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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MacMaster Tamarit:Agree with Mary<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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anyting that is law determined, the local law
must be enforced on the Registry or
Registrar. Policy is only required for those
things not covered by law, or the same law, in
localities for which there is a law.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Malancharuvil/Jim Bikoff (IOC):What are we
asking for that is not covered by law? That
question can only be answered to the group's
satisfaction by the GC. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Malancharuvil/Jim Bikoff (IOC):and even then,
maybe not to the group's satisfaction.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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so no one is asking for anyting not coverd by
Law?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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MacMaster Tamarit:I disagree.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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why is this not a legal case?<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Malancharuvil/Jim Bikoff (IOC):No one? I
believe I've made it clear (at your request)
that I only represent the IOC. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Malancharuvil/Jim Bikoff (IOC):We have cited
the law for every position that we take.
Speaking ONLY for the IOC.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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the issue is relevant to the policy group. i
thought yu were maintaing that the issue was
not important becasue of the law.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Malancharuvil/Jim Bikoff (IOC):you have
misunderstood. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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beleive any Registry or Registra that is
beaking their national law vis a vis IOC
should be taken to court. We are not about
the nefocement of law, that is for the courts.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Malancharuvil/Jim Bikoff (IOC):that is an
interesting view, thanks for sharing it. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Peregrine:Sam Paltridge has joined the AC room<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Doria:Kieren, you are quite welcome. ICANN is
not LEA, it is a policy organization that
attempts to provide a refulatory function
based on a multistakeholder process of policy
development.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Doria:s/refulatory/regulatory/<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Malancharuvil/Jim Bikoff (IOC):(*Kiran) -
ICANN is required to follow applicable laws. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Doria:Kieran, and I am sure they will once
those laws have been cleary shown. Of course,
the Registrars and Registries are in different
jurisdictions, so there is alwasy a question
of which law,, and which interpretation of the
law must be followed.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Malancharuvil/Jim Bikoff (IOC):(*Kiran - no
"e") - looking forward to the GC response.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Doria:apologies for my spelling.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Doria:Kiran, I look forward to it as well.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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got my bets down on a verdict of 'no
applicable law determining the illegality of
the use of a string in a domain name." but i
am not a lawyer and I often lose my bets.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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MacMaster Tamarit:Support Mary's discussion<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Roache-Turner (WIPO):Fully support the
comments just made by Ricardo - indeed
important that we continue to bear in mind in
our deliberations that IGOs are a distinct and
limited category of entity with names and
acronymsprotected under internatinal law- and
the quantum of the discussions fromsome years
agao have been materailly impacted by ICANNs
decision to massively expand the DNS, which
adds weight to the need to revisit ICANN
decisions of past years.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Roache-Turner (WIPO):fruit salad<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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MacMaster Tamarit:If some organizations can
rely on per se reservation of thier names on
the basis of existing legal protections, then
there is no need for criteria for them. We
can spend our time discussing criteria for
other IOs.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Roache-Turner (WIPO):fully agree with claudia<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Guilherme (UPU):+1 Claudia<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Roache-Turner (WIPO):...and again very with
the spirit of the intervention just made by
ricardo<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Guilherme (UPU):wrong, Alan<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Roache-Turner (WIPO):GAC proposal is for
criteria and list<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Guilherme (UPU):it is not supposed to be a
closed list, it's based on specific objective
criteria<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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actually beleive that is ok to come up with a
list that is broader than the GAC's, if that
is the right thing to do. And if we are
talking about things like clearing houses,
challenges and dispute resolution, i think it
may even be possible.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Roache-Turner (WIPO):right, it may need to be
reviewed from time to tim - and in particular,
criteria based on .int eligibility criteria +
IGO funds and programs plus a list of a number
IGOs which have been identified as meeting
those criteria<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Guilherme (UPU):names AND acronyms<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Roache-Turner (WIPO):For IGOS in the GAC, IGO
name plus acronymn<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Roache-Turner (WIPO):Under the Paris
convention, it is the name and acronymn which
the IGO has communicated to the 6ter list<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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MacMaster Tamarit:The name should be protected
in law, e.g., under trademark law or other
national statutes.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Roache-Turner (WIPO):Just as an analagous
example, protections already granted under the
reserve list for UN Member countries, are
protected in the UN languages<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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do you do if two lorgs have the same acronym:
IOC is International Olympic Committeee ande
the Intergovernmental Oceanographic
Commission.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Guilherme (UPU):correct, David<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Roache-Turner (WIPO):neither can be registered
by third parties<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Malancharuvil/Jim Bikoff (IOC):@Wolfgang - I
see that you have made this argument and given
this example many many times in the past.
Again, to be crystal clear, the IOC does not
seek protection for acronyms. Thanks. <o:p></o:p></span></div>
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MacMaster Tamarit:Mary1<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Roache-Turner (WIPO):anyway, possibiliy for
cooexistence should not of itself be a reason
not to preclude third party registration of
domains that would be an exact match of an IGO
name or acronymn<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Roache-Turner (WIPO):in practice, we are
talking here about a pool of hundreds of
domain names that could correspond in this
exact way, as against the virtually limited
number out there , especially in an expanded
DNS<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Guilherme (UPU):the Olympic Charter
specifically mentions that the IOC is an
international, non-governmental organization
whose members are NATURAL persons<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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MacMaster Tamarit:Greg, ISO (the International
Organization for Standardization) is an INGO,
and one of the some 140 NGOs with General
Consultative Status with the UN ECOSOC<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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MacMaster Tamarit:I believe the IEC is also a
formal member of the group.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Roache-Turner (WIPO):more impirtant to get it
right, than get it early!<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Guilherme (UPU):absolutely<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Guilherme (UPU):anybody = third parties<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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large majority of NCUC members would oppose
blocking.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Roache-Turner (WIPO):absolutely<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Guilherme (UPU):my "absolutely" was to David's
remark<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Guilherme (UPU):what I said was "anybody=third
parties"<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Malancharuvil/Jim Bikoff (IOC):We agree with
that proposal, Thomas<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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oppose blocking as well<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Cole:oppose blocking<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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oppose all blocking.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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also oppose blocking<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Doria:whereas i support curative processes.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Guilherme (UPU):no curative processes for UPU
(and other IGOs)<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Roache-Turner (WIPO):exact matches based on
blocking third party registration of IGO names
and acronmyns other than with IGO consent
would work - IGO consent to allow for
potential cases of legitimate use<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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also suppor a recommendaion that induces
specific regisries o voluntarily block. i
would recommend ha regisries consider
voluntary blocking.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Guilherme (UPU):+1 David<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Roache-Turner (WIPO):we need to bear in mind
we are talking of blocking tghe smallest
handful of domain names potentially availble
in the DNS overall<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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to ring off -- thanks everyone<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Roache-Turner (WIPO):comparable in some ways
to country names and territories<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Doria:there is blocking and there are
exclusive reservations.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Roache-Turner (WIPO):prevention against sthird
party registration may be better than blcoking
- IGOs mayh also want to use their own names
or acronmys<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Wong:@David, it would have to be that type of
justification (and of that magnitude/level) to
justify any form of blocking.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Roache-Turner (WIPO):exactly Thomas<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Claudia's suggestion - building on Avri's
point on voluntary blocks by registries, it
could be a good balance of interests here.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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MacMaster Tamarit:.NGO would be one example
would be one TLD where INGOs would be
particularly wary.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Wong:@Claudia, that's what I was thinking too.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Guilherme (UPU):I have to leave in a couple of
mins, thanks to all<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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to leave in five minutes.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Malancharuvil/Jim Bikoff (IOC):Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Guilherme (UPU):thank you Thomas<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Wong:Thanks, as always, Thomas and everyone!<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Roache-Turner (WIPO):thanks all<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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