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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Ultimately,<br>
      <br>
      The current DNS system was established to make human use easier as
      compared to the actual IP4 or eventually IP6 machine addresses. 
      IP4 is more network specific and requires additional routing for
      sub-nets.  IP6 could possibly establish a unique address for every
      machine.  But IP6 presents even more confusion for human use. 
      Too, is a more human wordy system.  A more equitable and efficient
      system must evolve.  We surely at this juncture, should not give
      ownership of words to private individuals.  Many people may have
      many of the same words as attributes to their natural address.  As
      long as the complete address is capable of identifying the unique
      recipient, there is no need for anyone to own the words
      themselves.  My last name is Smith.  I often get mail routed to my
      mail box with everything correct accept the name.  The mailman
      expects me to correct the error with "Not at this address" and
      send it back.  In the machine age, this should be automatic.  It
      would instantly send warning to the sender as invalid.  We must
      move to a better addressing scheme rather than panic and give away
      our language to those who would charge us to use it.  Our current
      scheme is archaic and must be updated with the advances in society
      not just band-aids.<br>
      <br>
      I am old and possibly obsolete myself, but I had great success
      using common sense then, and it still works just perfect.  Observe
      the beasts faults and venerability before you just spit on it. 
      You'll probably just piss it off. <br>
      <br>
      Lou<br>
      <br>
        <br>
      <br>
      On 2/25/2013 3:40 PM, Kristina Macaulay wrote:<br>
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      <div>Hi All,</div>
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      <div>I'm noting 3 main points of concerns here.</div>
      <div>Excluding McTim and Miltons objections to them.</div>
      <div><br>
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      <div>Anyone got other angles to add, regarding concerns…which was
        the point of "a letter together"?</div>
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      <div>Warmly,</div>
      <div><br>
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      <div>Kristina </div>
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          <div>On 25 Feb 2013, at 20:25, Mark Leiser <<a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:markleiser@GMAIL.COM">markleiser@GMAIL.COM</a>>
            wrote:</div>
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            <div dir="ltr"><span
                style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">"If
                the gTLD is for closed generic use, then the gTLD will
                only be used by an organisation for their purposes."</span><br>
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                  style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">That
                  is very subjective and problematic in my opinion... </span></div>
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                  style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">For
                  example, if I own .music and I start a band called "I
                  CAN SUCKS" - the gTLD used by the Company registering
                  .music has the purpose of giving bands a platform to
                  reach their fans. They do nothing other than sell to
                  authorized bands space on the web to market their
                  bands. They have a vested interest in their purpose
                  being to have space for any band that applies,
                  REGARDLESS of the band name-hence the censorship
                  concerns. </span></div>
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                <div>Sincerely, </div>
                <div> </div>
                <div> </div>
                <div>Mark Leiser</div>
                <div> </div>
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                    <div><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif">Mark
                        R. Leiser, Phd Student</font></div>
                    <div><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif">School
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              <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 8:06 PM,
                Kristina Macaulay <span dir="ltr"><<a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:kristinamac@mac.com" target="_blank">kristinamac@mac.com</a>></span>
                wrote:<br>
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                  <div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi Milton,
                    <div><br>
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                    <div>I will attempt to respond how I see this as a
                      long-term issue.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>If you have a domain name, well that is not the
                      same to a gTLD. </div>
                    <div>The ownership of a gTLD is exclusive to the
                      terms of use of the gTLD.</div>
                    <div>If the gTLD is for closed generic use, then the
                      gTLD will only be used by an organisation for
                      their purposes. </div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      How you chose to use your domain name, is
                      subjective to that one domain, unless you are on
                      the reserved list, and have privileges of unique
                      usage. example "red cross".</div>
                    <div>However a gTLD, is a fixed definite in the
                      english language there will only be one .book. </div>
                    <div>It gives an exclusive right, as the reserved
                      list does to the word association with "red
                      cross". If you consider the arguments around who
                      has the right over the word "olympic" "red cross"
                      then the same argument is applied to the gTLD.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>I have provide an angle of approach.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Warmly,</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Kristina <br>
                      <br>
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                          <div>On 25 Feb 2013, at 19:49, Milton L
                            Mueller <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:mueller@SYR.EDU"
                              target="_blank">mueller@SYR.EDU</a>>
                            wrote:</div>
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                                <div style="margin:0in 0in
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Kristina</span></div>
                                <div style="margin:0in 0in
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">It
                                    _<i>is</i>_ an issue related to
                                    censorship, and you are on the wrong
                                    side of it.  You are telling anyone
                                    who registers certain kinds of words
                                    that ICANN and its "community" will
                                    be able to dictate what kind of
                                    content goes under it. You are
                                    eliminating a domain owner's
                                    editorial discretion, even without
                                    any claim that there is a monopoly.
                                     </span></div>
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div>
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                                  <span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Here
                                    is a simple way for undecided people
                                    to make up their mind on this issue
                                    in a reasonable way:</span></div>
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                                  <span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div>
                                <div style="margin:0in 0in
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                                  New Roman',serif"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">We
                                    own a generic second-level domain:</span></div>
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                                  New Roman',serif"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div>
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                                  <b><span
style="font-size:14pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="http://internetgovernance.org/"
style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">internetgovernance.org</a><span> </span> </span></b><b><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"></span></b></div>
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                                  <span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Internet
                                    governance is a generic term.</span></div>
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                                  <span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div>
                                <div style="margin:0in 0in
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                                  New Roman',serif"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Here
                                    is a direct challenge to Kathy,
                                    Alain, Norbert and Kristina: Please
                                    tell me why you have a right to
                                    register a third-level domain under<span> </span><a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="http://internetgovernance.org/"
style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">internetgovernance.org</a>.
                                    Explain to me why OUR domain should
                                    be forced to resolve YOUR
                                    registrations, which may contain
                                    positions we don't agree with, which
                                    are irrelevant to the purpose of our
                                    site, or maybe even destructive of
                                    it.</span></div>
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                                  <span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">If
                                    you can't answer that question for
                                    my SLD, you can't make the same case
                                    for a TLD. There is no difference.</span></div>
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div>
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                                  <span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I
                                    am really looking forward to the
                                    kind of explanations I will get. I
                                    suspect I will get silence, or some
                                    rather lame excuses.</span></div>
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                                          style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span> </span>NCSG-Discuss
                                        [mailto:<a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:NCSG-"
                                          target="_blank">NCSG-</a><a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU"
style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>]<span> </span><b>On
                                          Behalf Of</b>Kristina Macaulay
                                        <div>
                                          <div class="h5"><br>
                                            <b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Sunday,
                                            February 24, 2013 3:16 PM<br>
                                            <b>To:</b><span> </span><a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU"
style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
                                            <b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re:
                                            [NCSG-Discuss] Closed
                                            Generics - a letter together</div>
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                                    <div style="margin:0in 0in
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                                      New Roman',serif">I'd be happy to
                                      contribute or review any
                                      statements regarding this issue,
                                      as I too feel strongly that Closed
                                      Generic words must not become
                                      exclusive or restricted as
                                      proposed.</div>
                                    <div>
                                      <div style="margin:0in 0in
                                        0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times
                                        New Roman',serif">This is a
                                        non-commercial issue.</div>
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                                      <div style="margin:0in 0in
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                                        New Roman',serif">I know it's
                                        not related to censorship or
                                        copyright, but it has a similar
                                        notion of precedence of<span> </span><b><u>exclusive
                                            perpetuity</u></b><span> </span>right
                                        over something…on this occasion
                                        it will be a generic term.</div>
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                                      <div style="margin:0in 0in
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                                          never happen!!!!</b></div>
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                                            On 24 Feb 2013, at 16:40,
                                            Avri Doria <<a
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                                          <br>
                                          Obviously I am not
                                          volunteering for this, but<br>
                                          <br>
                                          I think it is a good idea.  I
                                          think at this point one of the
                                          best things we can all
                                          collectively offer are strong
                                          statements from our various
                                          perspectives on this.<span> </span><br>
                                          <br>
                                          I was planing to work on my
                                          own personal statement on why
                                          this is not a problem and
                                          something that was expected,
                                          but would gladly work with
                                          others to produce a common
                                          statement several of us could
                                          sign on to.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          avri<br>
                                          <br>
                                          On 24 Feb 2013, at 16:44,
                                          Kathy Kleiman wrote:<br>
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                                          and All,<br>
                                          I have a question. Who would
                                          like to work with me on a
                                          statement of individuals and
                                          organizations within the NCSG?
                                          Obviously, we don't have
                                          consensus and this will not be
                                          a Stakeholder Group statement,
                                          but there seem to be a lot of
                                          us with similar concerns -
                                          across NPOC and NCUC. And
                                          further, the issue of generic
                                          words used in generic ways is
                                          a classic noncommercial issue.
                                          It's the balance to trademark
                                          law...<span> </span><br>
                                          <br>
                                          If you are interested in
                                          reviewing a statement or
                                          letter, please let me know,
                                          and we'll create a subgroup.<br>
                                          If anyone would like to work
                                          with me on crafting  a
                                          statement or letter, welcome!<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Best,<br>
                                          Kathy<br>
                                          <br>
                                          :<br>
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                                          <br>
                                          I personnally lean heavily in
                                          favor of Kathy's position. It
                                          seems quite reasonable to me
                                          for IBM, Accenture, Suzuki or
                                          Aga Khan Foundation (AKDN for
                                          AK Development Network)  and
                                          many others to use their
                                          closed gTLD for internal
                                          purposes but pure generic
                                          words belong to everybody,
                                          period. So even AFAMILYCOMPANY
                                          applied for by Johnson
                                          Shareholdings Inc would affect
                                          not only the use of "family"
                                          by all but also discriminate
                                          against many others such as
                                          perhaps the millions of
                                          family-owned companies!<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Bill, I think the "Closed
                                          Generics" theme is big enough
                                          that it warrants an NCSG-wide
                                          approach in Bali with
                                          distinctive NCUC and NPOC
                                          events or sessions on
                                          different themes our
                                          respective Program Teams are
                                          probably working on right now.<br>
                                          <br>
                                          Alain<br>
                                          <br>
                                          <br>
                                          <br>
                                          On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:10
                                          AM, William Drake <<a
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                                          wrote:<br>
                                          Hi<br>
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                                      So there's clearly a diversity of
                                      views on this issue among
                                      reasonable people.  This was also
                                      evident at the IGF meeting in
                                      Baku, where we spent some time on
                                      it in the context of a wider
                                      discussion of new gTLDs in the
                                      Critical Internet Resources main
                                      session (I co-moderatated, Milton
                                      spoke to the issue, as did
                                      Anriette Esterhuysen from NCUC
                                      member APC, the Brazilian
                                      ambassador, others...<a
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                                        For this year's IGF in Bali,
                                        Alain and I discussed the
                                        possibility of proposing a joint
                                        NPOC/NCUC Open Forum session,
                                        and in addition the two
                                        constituencies could each
                                        organize their own workshops
                                        reflecting their respective
                                        priorities and possibilities.
                                         In this context, I'm wondering
                                        whether closed generics might
                                        not be a good topic for a NCUC
                                        workshop.  We could easily get a
                                        solid MS panel together with
                                        strongly diverse views that
                                        would probably be of interest to
                                        the sort of broader,
                                        non-GNSO-insider audiences IGFs
                                        attract. I can already think of
                                        a number of developing country
                                        government, business, technical
                                        and CS folks who'd likely be
                                        eager to participate as
                                        speakers, and it's a nicely
                                        bounded problem set that'd lend
                                        itself to focused consideration
                                        of commercial and noncommercial
                                        arguments etc.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        After we get past the WSIS+10
                                        and IGF meetings in Paris I may
                                        pitch the Program Team a formal
                                        proposal on this.  If anyone
                                        would like to conspire, let me
                                        know.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Bill<br>
                                        <br>
                                        On Feb 10, 2013, at 7:17 PM,
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                                      <div class="im">Hi Edward and All,<br>
                                        I've been meaning to write for
                                        some time about Closed Generics.
                                         Since 1996, I've been fighting
                                        the abuse of generic words.  The
                                        first huge domain name dispute
                                        battles took place over generic
                                        words - that trademark owners
                                        felt they could use their
                                        trademarks (which is, of course,
                                        a limited right to use a term
                                        for a specific category of goods
                                        and services) to stop ordinary
                                        people, organizations and
                                        entrepreneurs from using
                                        ordinary words in ordinary ways.
                                        We led a huge fight with Network
                                        Solutions, and then at the dawn
                                        of ICANN, to draft Domain Name
                                        Dispute Rules that protected
                                        generic words used in generic
                                        ways as part of the public
                                        domain -- as belonging to us
                                        all!<br>
                                        <br>
                                        So when I see so many applicants
                                        for "Closed Generic" New gTLDs
                                        -- using a generic word in a
                                        generic way and completely
                                        monopolizing it by *not*
                                        allowing your competitors to use
                                        it too, I am shocked: .APP,
                                        .BOOK, .CLOUD, .DRIVE, .MAP,
                                        .MOVIE, .NEWS, .SEARCH, .SHOP.
                                        .STORE, .BLOG, .ANTIVIRUS,
                                        .INSURANCE, .HAIR, .MAKEUP,
                                        .BABY -- These are generic words
                                        being used in generic ways
                                        (according to their
                                        applications) for the sole
                                        purpose of monopolizing the
                                        common term of an industry or
                                        business -- and keeping its
                                        competitors out.<span> </span><br>
                                        <br>
                                        There is no way that L'Oréal
                                        could get trademarks on .SKIN,
                                        .SALON, .MAKEUP and .HAIR, as
                                        these words are part of the
                                        public domain name and available
                                        to All their competitors to use
                                        -- their trademarks are on
                                        MAYBELLINE, REDKIN, L'Oréal, and
                                        the share the generics as common
                                        descriptive terms. So it is
                                        against every public interest
                                        bone in my body to allow generic
                                        words used in generic ways to be
                                        monopolized by only one business
                                        or industry player.<span> </span><br>
                                        <br>
                                        But is it against the rules?  I
                                        went back to my work as Director
                                        of Policy for .ORG, as I was
                                        with .ORG through the end of the
                                        Applicant Guidebook work. I
                                        served on the Vertical
                                        Integration Working Group in a
                                        very active way, as well as the
                                        Registries group that reviewed
                                        every line of the "Base Registry
                                        Agreement" (the model contract
                                        for all new gTLDs).  We had
                                        agreed that, in general, the
                                        base model of a Registry is
                                        "open" -- that Registries must
                                        work with ICANN-Accredited
                                        Registrars worldwide.  Why?  To
                                        reach Registrants worldwide --
                                        to offer them domain names in
                                        their own languages, currencies
                                        and customs.   (For example, NII
                                        Quaynor, a founder of NCUC and
                                        early Board member, is now one
                                        of the few Registrars in Africa,
                                        and equal access of his
                                        Registrants to domain names, on
                                        a nondiscriminatory basis, has
                                        always been important to our
                                        system).<span> </span><br>
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                                      So no, I found that we had NOT
                                      agreed to Closed Generics. In
                                      fact, the base model of the New
                                      gTLD Registries was meant to be
                                      "open" -- and ICANN incorporated
                                      this "Open gTLD" model into its
                                      Base Registry Agreement (in the
                                      Applicant Guidebook).  Section
                                      2.9a and the Registry Code of
                                      Conduct. No Registry may favor a
                                      particular Registrar -- but
                                      provide Equal Access to its
                                      Registry Services and Data.  Why?
                                       To be fair to Registrants!  It's
                                      nowhere written that Verisign
                                      can't limit .COM domain names only
                                      to the NY Stock Exchange
                                      companies, or that .ORG can't
                                      limit .ORG registrations to only
                                      US organizations, but everyone
                                      knows if they did that, they would
                                      lose their accreditation with
                                      ICANN.  Non-discrimination and
                                      Equal Access are part of our
                                      domain name DNA.   (See "Base
                                      Agreement & Specifications",
                                      Specification 9,<a
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                                        The initial Registry Code of
                                        Conduct had no exceptions.  Then
                                        the Commercial Guys got upset--
                                        why should a Dot-Brand TLD, e.g.
                                        .IBM, have to go through
                                        registrars to register domain
                                        names, and why should they have
                                        to register names to the public
                                        anyway? (Arguments also made in
                                        the Vertical Integration WG.)
                                         Special privileges for very
                                        limited use New TLDs - let IBM
                                        keep its domain names for its
                                        employees, franchisees, etc.
                                         And frankly, most of us agreed.
                                         So the next version of the
                                        Registry Code of Conduct came
                                        out with a narrow exception:<br>
                                        <br>
                                           ==> "6. Registry Operator
                                        may request an exemption to this
                                        Code of Conduct, and such
                                        exemption may be
                                                    granted by ICANN in
                                        ICANN’s reasonable discretion,
                                        if Registry Operator
                                        demonstrates to ICANN’s
                                        reasonable satisfaction that (i)
                                        all domain name registrations in
                                        the TLD are registered to, and
                                        maintained by, Registry Operator
                                        for its own exclusive use, (ii)
                                        Registry Operator does not sell,
                                        distribute or transfer control
                                        or use of any registrations in
                                        the TLD to any third party that
                                        is not an Affiliate of Registry
                                        Operator, and (iii) application
                                        of this Code of Conduct to the
                                        TLD is not necessary to protect
                                        the public interest."  <br>
                                        <br>
                                        It had a comment that made its
                                        intent very clear:<br>
                                           ===> [*Note: This draft
                                        Section 6 of the Registry
                                        Operator Code of Conduct has
                                        been added in response to
                                        comments received that suggested
                                        that the Code was not necessary
                                        for registries in which a single
                                        registrant uses the TLD solely
                                        for its own operations and does
                                        not sell registrations to third
                                        parties (e.g. a dot-BRAND)] (<a
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style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://archive.icann.org/en/topics/new-gtlds/draft-agreement-specs-redline-15apr11-en.pdf</a>)<br>
                                        <br>
                                        And that's where we left it. Of
                                        course, some people in the
                                        Vertical Integration WG wanted
                                        much more, and some of them are
                                        on this list. And some wanted
                                        much less- that all gTLDs be
                                        open. The compromise was to
                                        allow dot-BRANDs to be closed,
                                        but certainly not any string any
                                        applicant wanted for any
                                        reasons. Generic words used in
                                        generic ways belong to everyone
                                        in the industry or business :-).
                                         <br>
                                        <br>
                                        I look forward to our
                                        discussion, and happy to provide
                                        links letters and public comment
                                        forums.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        All the best,<br>
                                        Kathy<br>
                                        p.s. Quick additional note on
                                        "restricted TLDs."  In case
                                        anyone is wondering, "restricted
                                        TLDs" are generally OK among
                                        those deeply concerned about
                                        Closed Generics because
                                        restricting .BANK to real banks
                                        or .LAWYER to lawyers with
                                        actual credentials seems
                                        consistent with
                                        non-discrimination and equal
                                        access provisions -- provided
                                        the criteria and fairly and
                                        globally applied...<span> </span><br>
                                        <br>
                                        <br>
                                        Edward Morris wrote:<br>
                                        <br>
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                                        :<br>
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                                      <div class="im">Kathy,<br>
                                        <br>
                                        I am sympathetic to your
                                        position. My concern is that any
                                        change now to the program will
                                        embroil ICANN in mass litigation
                                        that will paralyze the
                                        organization for a considerable
                                        period going forward. We briefly
                                        spoke in Los Angeles about some
                                        recent legal hires by Amazon:
                                        some pretty impressive hires.
                                        Can you convince me that my
                                        concerns are invalid? Might not
                                        a better approach at this point
                                        be to pressure the applicants
                                        themselves to open up the
                                        generic domains,  to make it
                                        socially unacceptable for large
                                        companies to operate closed
                                        Tlds?<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Ed<br>
                                        <br>
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                                        On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 8:26 PM,
                                        Kathy Kleiman <<a
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                                        wrote:<br>
                                        Quote from Jeff Neuman (VP
                                        Neustar) in Amsterdam last week:<br>
                                        Nearly all of those applying for
                                        Closed gTLDs would fail to
                                        qualify based on his reading of
                                        the Code of Conduct.<span> </span><br>
                                        <br>
                                        Article show concern around the
                                        world for TLDs which are generic
                                        strings/words of an entire
                                        industry or business (DOCS,
                                        BOOK, SEARCH, ANTIVIRUS,
                                        WATCHES) being dominated and
                                        controlled by a single
                                        industry/business (and only one
                                        of many competitors).  that's
                                        being a registry to monoplize a
                                        word, not to offer registry
                                        services.<br>
                                        <br>
                                        -    The Hindu:  Beauty lies in
                                        the ‘domain’ of the highest
                                        bidder (Op-ed piece by Parminder
                                        Jeet Singh, Executive Director,
                                        IT for Change, in special
                                        consultative status with the
                                        United Nations Economic and
                                        Social Council (IGF attendee)),
                                        12/24/2012,<span> </span><a
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href="http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/beauty-lies-in-the-domain-of-the-highest-bidder/article3929612.ece"
style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/beauty-lies-in-the-domain-of-the-highest-bidder/article3929612.ece</a><span> </span> <br>
                                        <br>
                                        -    Forbes: The Battle For The
                                        Cloud: Amazon Proposes 'Closed'
                                        Top-Level .CLOUD Domain,
                                        11/6/2012,   <a
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href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/reuvencohen/2012/11/06/the-battle-for-the-cloud-amazon-proposes-closed-top-level-cloud-domain/?partner=yahootix"
style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://www.forbes.com/sites/reuvencohen/2012/11/06/the-battle-for-the-cloud-amazon-proposes-closed-top-level-cloud-domain/?partner=yahootix</a><span> </span><br>
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                                      -    Techworld: Problems arise
                                      where one entity is seeking
                                      exclusive use of strings with
                                      broad applicability, 11/21/2012,<a
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href="http://news.techworld.com/networking/3412616/icann-issues-early-warnings-over-controversial-top-level-domains/"
style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://news.techworld.com/networking/3412616/icann-issues-early-warnings-over-controversial-top-level-domains/</a>
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                                          I am deeply, deeply concerned!<span> </span><br>
                                          Best,<br>
                                          Kathy<br>
                                          <br>
                                          <br>
                                          <br>
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                                          A quote from Karen Lentz
                                          (ICANN legal staff): "Under
                                          the current rules, there's
                                          nothing that would prevent the
                                          use of closed generics, which
                                          is focused on the issue of who
                                          can register a name."<br>
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                                          2013 1:18 PM<br>
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                                          new-gtld-committee-not-sure-how-to-handle-<br>
                                          closed-generic-applications<br>
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                                          surprise!<br>
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                                          Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA<br>
                                          Member, Board of Directors,
                                          CECI,<span> </span><a
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                                          Partnership Foundation,<span> </span><a
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                                          Foundation,<span> </span><a
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