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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Yes Andrei,<br>
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      This is an eminent problem.  I myself have tried to add as much
      security to my system as my knowledge can provide but there are so
      many vulnerable holes in computers.  One that is now becoming
      known is PNP hacks.  Malevolence in the world will be an on going
      foe.  IP blockers and virus scanners are only the basics.  I have
      not seen the threat of IPV6 addressed at all.<br>
      <br>
      Lou   <br>
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      On 2/4/2013 2:51 AM, Andrei Barburas wrote:<br>
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        <div><font face="verdana,sans-serif">Regarding the invasion of
            privacy and apps that upload your contacts to a crowdsourced
            database...</font></div>
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        <div style=""><font face="verdana, sans-serif">I strongly
            believe that we should create the opportunity to educate
            people regarding what they can and cannot do in order for
            their privacy to be "safe"; here I am not talking about
            governments, I am talking about organizations that develop
            such apps.</font></div>
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        <div style=""><font face="verdana, sans-serif">On the other
            hand, it is also important to know and realize that even if
            I am careful with what I share, that doesn't mean that my
            friends/colleagues/buddies are as careful as I am.</font></div>
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        <div style=""><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Have an excellent
            week ahead!</font></div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Carl
          Smith <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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            It's good to hear some positive news.<br>
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            Thanks to all for the hard work.  Let's keep the momentum
            moving forward.<br>
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            Lou
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                On 2/3/2013 4:01 AM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote:<br>
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                  Hi Alain,<br>
                    I want to join Avri in her positive comment on the
                  outcome of the LA meeting. On the one hand it was
                  crazy to sit 30 hours in planes for 20 hours of
                  meetings & briefings. However it was worth and has
                  helped to create a much more constructive
                  collaborative climate between the two SGs, within our
                  own SG community and with ICANN Staff.<br>
                    I want to congratulate you also for your outreach
                  plan. As already discussed with Klaus, I see here a
                  lot of potential to bring expertise both from NPOC and
                  NCUC together to strengthen our SG as a whole, in
                  particular with the practical projects as papers,
                  webinars and workshops/conferences.<br>
                    My concrete proposal is - and I made this already
                  before I saw your paper in our NCUC meeting  - to
                  organize a monthly NCSG webinar (in cooperation with
                  ICANN Staff to use their facilities) on ICANN related
                  policy issues which would be open for the whole ICANN
                  community (and beyond). We could agree until Beijng on
                  a list of ten themes (and lecturers) for 2013/2014 and
                  announce this with concrete dates during the Public
                  Forum. I would volunteer to give a webinar in fall
                  2013 on "WCIT, WTPF, WTDC: Can ICANN and ITU develop a
                  constructive collaboration in the Internet Governance
                  Eco-System?"<br>
                    We could agree also on a joint paper series as a
                  follow up to your project with UNCTAD.<br>
                    We should also start to think about joint workshop
                  proposals for IGF in Bali (and probably for regional
                  IGFs as EURODIG in Lisbon in June) to bring issues of
                  special interests for non-commercial users to the
                  agenda and to link more NGOs to the process. I hope
                  also that Klaus engagement in the German IGF (June 3)
                  will be useful at the national level.<br>
                    Best wishes<br>
                    wolfgang<br>
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                  ________________________________<br>
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                  Von: NCSG-Discuss im Auftrag von Avri Doria<br>
                  Gesendet: Sa 02.02.2013 20:52<br>
                  An: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                  Betreff: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] WEF Background Paper<br>
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                  Hi Alain.<br>
                  <br>
                  I agree, the meeting was quite good for both the NCSG
                  and bring all of the all of its
                  NCU/NGO/NFP/academic&activist  participants
                  together.<br>
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                  I also like the view we were able to get of how ICANN
                  is changing and of the direction in which Fadi seems
                  to be facing.<br>
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                  I also appreciated some of bits of agreement that we
                  were able to reach with the other Non Contract Party
                  SG.  I even appreciated the clarity with which some
                  areas of agreement and  disagreement we have with some
                  of the constituencies in the CSG were able to be
                  discussed.<br>
                  <br>
                  It was a good trip.<br>
                  <br>
                  Of course we probably also owe this list a more
                  comprehensive report.  Maybe our leaders can work
                  together to produce one.<br>
                  <br>
                  avri<br>
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                  On 2 Feb 2013, at 08:48, Alain Berranger wrote:<br>
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                    Thanks Kathy,<br>
                    <br>
                    It was a good meeting. For me it was about an
                    opportunity to start some NPOC team building.
                    Secondly, it was the very first time in my opininon
                    that NCSG leadership came together and a climate of
                    trust clearly set in so that from here on we will
                    together move the non-commercial issues forward. We
                    have a lot of work to do together, for  instance
                    getting NGO/NFP Engagement on the same level at
                    ICANN as Government Engagement and Business
                    Engagement. With the NCSG getting its act together,
                    we have removed a barrier to ICANN creating a
                    dedicated senior post for NGO/NPF Engagement.<br>
                    Also, the LA meeting was an opportunity to reach to
                    CSG and its Constituencies leadership and to
                    establish perhaps that a win for one side is not
                    always a loss for the other and that NCHP has a role
                    to play in advancing a number of higher level
                    debates to make ICANN stronger in the end.<br>
                    <br>
                    Alain<br>
                    <br>
                    On Friday, February 1, 2013, Kathy Kleiman wrote:<br>
                    Hi All,<br>
                    I have not yet read the attached paper, but it is a
                    background paper that Fadi received at the World
                    Economic Forum in Davos.  Fadi was in a meeting on
                    user data and privacy, and found himself speaking
                    for users (those whose data is captured). Hooray!<br>
                    <br>
                    A good intersessional meeting in LA.  A new
                    experiment on having the Noncommercial and
                    Commercial meet together for meetings on both policy
                    issues, and administrative issues (for growth and
                    operation of our Stakeholder and constituency
                    groups). I hope others will comment. I found it very
                    valuable -- and think we have a great NCSG team!<br>
                    <br>
                    Best,<br>
                    Kathy<br>
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