<p>Regards this, I deliberately chose  to make up my mind on and deal with *all* persons from the neck upwards. Pleased that it saved me a reasonable number of illogical arguments.<br></p>
<p>--sent from a handheld-- excuse brevity and any typos--</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 31, 2013 7:24 PM, "Carl Smith" <<a href="mailto:lectriclou@hotmail.com">lectriclou@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

  
    
  
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    <div>Thanks David,<br>
      <br>
      I have no problem with the geographic point, but If our best
      choice is a woman then what is the problem?  To me, the one of
      whom we have the greatest confidence is who will serve our joint
      interests best.  I look to the minds and hearts of those I
      support.  There are still bigots in the world and surely that will
      continue to need addressing.  Though often hidden from view.  If
      the females of the world are to be our leaders because they have
      the right stuff, we are better for that.  Are men afraid of
      loosing their machismo?   <br>
      <br>
      Sorry for the rant, but I see this gender thing as demeaning to
      those who have worked to get to the position which they have
      rightfully earned.<br>
      <br>
      Respectfully,<br>
      <br>
      Lou<br>
      <br>
      On 1/30/2013 12:37 PM, David Cake wrote:<br>
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      FWIW, only one GNSO endorsed candidate was required to meet gender
      diversity requirements, and both applicants from NCSG were women,
      so NCSG was inevitably going to meet the gender diversity
      requirements for the council, and so gender diversity was not at
      issue for this selection. One applicant from the Registries was a
      woman, but they did not choose to advance them as a candidate for
      endorsements. 
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      <div>The diversity requirement that is relevant to the council
        endorsement decision was geographical diversity - we have ended
        up with four GNSO endorsed candidates from North America. There
        was an option for the council to endorse two extra candidates to
        satisfy geographical diversity requirements, one each from NCSG
        (Marie-Laure) and CSG, but the contracted parties did not vote
        for it. </div>
      <div><br>
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      <div>Regards</div>
      <div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>David</div>
      <div>
        <div><br>
          <div>
            <div>On 30/01/2013, at 8:38 AM, Carl Smith <<a href="mailto:lectriclou@HOTMAIL.COM" target="_blank">lectriclou@HOTMAIL.COM</a>>
              wrote:</div>
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                <div>Thanks Bill,<br>
                  <br>
                  Is this a solution looking for a problem or is there a
                  problem of which I am unaware.  Seems to me, we have
                  tried to get the representation with confidence in
                  mind.  I know we talked about diversity with
                  agreement.  But if our best representation is not of
                  the right sex......?  I for one just want our
                  consensus to be aggressively pursued by whom ever we
                  feel most confident.  I never got the impression any
                  of us was a bigot.  We have a liberty minded group, I
                  believe.<br>
                  <br>
                  Respectfully,<br>
                  <br>
                  Lou<br>
                  <br>
                  On 1/29/2013 9:51 AM, William Drake wrote:<br>
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                  Hi Alain
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>The process agreed agreed June 2010 <a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/other/aoc-reviews" target="_blank">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/other/aoc-reviews</a>
                    is that</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>"If the list does not meet the above mentioned
                    diversity objectives, the Council as a whole may
                    choose to endorse up to two additional candidates
                    from the applicant pool who would help to give
                    the list of GNSO nominees the desired balance. In
                    this case, the Council would hold a vote during its
                    teleconference, with sixty percent support of
                    both houses represented in the Council being
                    required for endorsement. If no candidate
                    obtains that level of support, the list of
                    endorsements obtained via the bottom-up process
                    of stakeholder group nominations will be deemed
                    final and forwarded to ICANN."</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>So the additional nominees would be of the GNSO
                    generally, not of the houses or SGs.  The CPH stance
                    was thus technically fine, just ill-considered.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Best,</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Bill<br>
                    <br>
                    <div>
                      <div>On Jan 28, 2013, at 10:34 PM, Alain Berranger
                        <<a href="mailto:alain.berranger@gmail.com" target="_blank">alain.berranger@gmail.com</a>>

                        wrote:</div>
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                      <blockquote type="cite">Thanks Robin,
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Did not know it was an option for
                          contracting parties to block non-contracted
                          parties additional candidates. Is that the
                          right interpretation? Did  they also blocked
                          additional candidates that would have
                          added gender diversity?</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Alain<span></span><br>
                          <br>
                          On Monday, January 28, 2013, Robin Gross
                          wrote:<br>
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                            <div style="word-wrap:break-word"> I am told
                              that the contracting parties blocked all
                              additional candidates that would have
                              added some geo diversity to the group.
                               That part is disappointing.
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>
                                <div><br>
                                  <div>
                                    <div>Begin forwarded message:</div>
                                    <br>
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                                      <div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><font style="font:12.0px Helvetica" size="3" face="Helvetica"><b>From:
                                          </b></font><font style="font:12.0px Helvetica" size="3" face="Helvetica">"Jonathan
                                          Robinson" <<a>jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com</a>></font></div>
                                      <div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><font style="font:12.0px Helvetica" size="3" face="Helvetica"><b>Date:
                                          </b></font><font style="font:12.0px Helvetica" size="3" face="Helvetica">January
                                          27, 2013 12:49:41 PM PST</font></div>
                                      <div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><font style="font:12.0px Helvetica" size="3" face="Helvetica"><b>To:
                                          </b></font><font style="font:12.0px Helvetica" size="3" face="Helvetica">"Steve
                                          Crocker" <<a>steve@shinkuro.com</a>>,

                                          <<a>Heather.Dryden@ic.gc.ca</a>>,

                                          <<a>jeannie.ellers@icann.org</a>></font></div>
                                      <div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><font style="font:12.0px Helvetica" size="3" face="Helvetica"><b>Cc:
                                          </b></font><font style="font:12.0px Helvetica" size="3" face="Helvetica"><<a>council@gnso.icann.org</a>>,

                                          <<a>marilynscade@hotmail.com</a>>,

                                          <<a>krosette@cov.com</a>>,

                                          "tony holmes" <<a>tonyarholmes@btinternet.com</a>>,

                                          "William Drake" <<a>william.drake@uzh.ch</a>>,

                                          <<a>alain.berranger@gmail.com</a>>,

                                          <<a>robin@ipjustice.org</a>>,

                                          "'KEITH DRAZEK'" <<a>kdrazek@Verisign.com</a>>,

                                          "Matt Serlin" <<a>matt.serlin@markmonitor.com</a>></font></div>
                                      <div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><font style="font:12.0px Helvetica" size="3" face="Helvetica"><b>Subject:
                                          </b></font><font style="font:12.0px Helvetica" size="3" face="Helvetica"><b>GNSO
                                            applicants to the ATRT2 team</b></font></div>
                                      <div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;min-height:14px"><br>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal">Dear Steve,
                                          Dear Heather,</p>
                                        <div> <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"> Please see
                                          attached letter regarding
                                          appointment of applicants
                                          arising from within the GNSO
                                          to the ATRT2 team.</p>
                                        <div> <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal">Thank-you
                                          for giving this matter your
                                          attention.</p>
                                        <div> <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal">Best
                                          wishes,</p>
                                        <div> <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div> <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal">Jonathan</p>
                                        <div style="border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 1.0pt 0cm">
                                          <div><span> </span><br>
                                          </div>
                                        </div>
                                        <div><span> </span><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Jonathan
                                            Robinson</span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Chair</span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>ICANN
                                            GNSO Council</span></p>
                                        <div><span> </span><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span><a>jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com</a></span></p>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>skype:

                                            jonathan.m.r</span></p>
                                        <div> <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div> <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div> <br>
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                        <br>
                        -- <br>
                        Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
                        <div>Member, Board of Directors, CECI, <a href="http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/" target="_blank">http://www.ceci.ca</a><br>
                          <div>Executive-in-residence, Schulich School
                            of Business, <a href="http://www.schulich.yorku.ca/" target="_blank">www.schulich.yorku.ca</a></div>
                          <div>Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership
                            Foundation, <a href="http://www.gkpfoundation.org/" target="_blank">www.gkpfoundation.org</a></div>
                          <div>NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation,
                            <font color="#0a246a" face="'Times New
                              Roman', Times, serif"><a href="http://www.chasquinet.org/" target="_blank">www.chasquinet.org</a></font><br>
                            Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, <a href="http://npoc.org/" target="_blank">http://npoc.org/</a><br>
                            O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824<br>
                            Skype: alain.berranger<br>
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                          <div><br>
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                          <div>AVIS DE CONFIDENTIALITÉ</div>
                          <div>Ce courriel est confidentiel et est à
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                            de le modifier ou de le reproduire, en tout
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                            courriel et toute copie de celui-ci. Merci
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