<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I was just clarifying the process of this particular review team selection round - gender diversity was not an issue here, because no matter what the outcome of the process overall, within NCSG our two applicants were both women, and so NCSG was always going to satisfy the gender diversity requirement of the council process. <div><br></div><div>Personally, I think gender diversity quotas do have a valid role to play in an institutional context. Luckily NCSGs wealth of talent is already pretty gender diverse, so gender diversity requirements are generally positive for us - and personally, I'm very pleased to be working alongside so many exceptional women in the NCSG leadership team. But if you doubt that systemic gender bias can be an issue, you don't need to look that far beyond NCSG to find it, especially in the tech industry generally. </div><div><br></div><div>I'm in favour of ICANN trying to encourage gender and geographical (and other forms) of diversity. </div><div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>David</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 31/01/2013, at 8:23 AM, Carl Smith <<a href="mailto:lectriclou@HOTMAIL.COM">lectriclou@HOTMAIL.COM</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Thanks David,<br>
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I have no problem with the geographic point, but If our best
choice is a woman then what is the problem? To me, the one of
whom we have the greatest confidence is who will serve our joint
interests best. I look to the minds and hearts of those I
support. There are still bigots in the world and surely that will
continue to need addressing. Though often hidden from view. If
the females of the world are to be our leaders because they have
the right stuff, we are better for that. Are men afraid of
loosing their machismo? <br>
<br>
Sorry for the rant, but I see this gender thing as demeaning to
those who have worked to get to the position which they have
rightfully earned.<br>
<br>
Respectfully,<br>
<br>
Lou<br>
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On 1/30/2013 12:37 PM, David Cake wrote:<br>
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FWIW, only one GNSO endorsed candidate was required to meet gender
diversity requirements, and both applicants from NCSG were women,
so NCSG was inevitably going to meet the gender diversity
requirements for the council, and so gender diversity was not at
issue for this selection. One applicant from the Registries was a
woman, but they did not choose to advance them as a candidate for
endorsements.
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<div>The diversity requirement that is relevant to the council
endorsement decision was geographical diversity - we have ended
up with four GNSO endorsed candidates from North America. There
was an option for the council to endorse two extra candidates to
satisfy geographical diversity requirements, one each from NCSG
(Marie-Laure) and CSG, but the contracted parties did not vote
for it. </div>
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<div>Regards</div>
<div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>David</div>
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<div>On 30/01/2013, at 8:38 AM, Carl Smith <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:lectriclou@HOTMAIL.COM">lectriclou@HOTMAIL.COM</a>>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Thanks Bill,<br>
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Is this a solution looking for a problem or is there a
problem of which I am unaware. Seems to me, we have
tried to get the representation with confidence in
mind. I know we talked about diversity with
agreement. But if our best representation is not of
the right sex......? I for one just want our
consensus to be aggressively pursued by whom ever we
feel most confident. I never got the impression any
of us was a bigot. We have a liberty minded group, I
believe.<br>
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Respectfully,<br>
<br>
Lou<br>
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On 1/29/2013 9:51 AM, William Drake wrote:<br>
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Hi Alain
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<div>The process agreed agreed June 2010 <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/other/aoc-reviews">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/other/aoc-reviews</a>
is that</div>
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<div>"If the list does not meet the above mentioned
diversity objectives, the Council as a whole may
choose to endorse up to two additional candidates
from the applicant pool who would help to give
the list of GNSO nominees the desired balance. In
this case, the Council would hold a vote during its
teleconference, with sixty percent support of
both houses represented in the Council being
required for endorsement. If no candidate
obtains that level of support, the list of
endorsements obtained via the bottom-up process
of stakeholder group nominations will be deemed
final and forwarded to ICANN."</div>
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<div>So the additional nominees would be of the GNSO
generally, not of the houses or SGs. The CPH stance
was thus technically fine, just ill-considered.</div>
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<div>Best,</div>
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<div>Bill<br>
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<div>On Jan 28, 2013, at 10:34 PM, Alain Berranger
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<div>Did not know it was an option for
contracting parties to block non-contracted
parties additional candidates. Is that the
right interpretation? Did they also blocked
additional candidates that would have
added gender diversity?</div>
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On Monday, January 28, 2013, Robin Gross
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word"> I am told
that the contracting parties blocked all
additional candidates that would have
added some geo diversity to the group.
That part is disappointing.
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</b></font><font style="font:12.0px Helvetica" size="3" face="Helvetica">"Jonathan
Robinson" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com');" target="_blank">jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com</a>></font></div>
<div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><font style="font:12.0px Helvetica" size="3" face="Helvetica"><b>Date:
</b></font><font style="font:12.0px Helvetica" size="3" face="Helvetica">January
27, 2013 12:49:41 PM PST</font></div>
<div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><font style="font:12.0px Helvetica" size="3" face="Helvetica"><b>To:
</b></font><font style="font:12.0px Helvetica" size="3" face="Helvetica">"Steve
Crocker" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'steve@shinkuro.com');" target="_blank">steve@shinkuro.com</a>>,
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'Heather.Dryden@ic.gc.ca');" target="_blank">Heather.Dryden@ic.gc.ca</a>>,
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'jeannie.ellers@icann.org');" target="_blank">jeannie.ellers@icann.org</a>></font></div>
<div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><font style="font:12.0px Helvetica" size="3" face="Helvetica"><b>Cc:
</b></font><font style="font:12.0px Helvetica" size="3" face="Helvetica"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'council@gnso.icann.org');" target="_blank">council@gnso.icann.org</a>>,
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'marilynscade@hotmail.com');" target="_blank">marilynscade@hotmail.com</a>>,
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'krosette@cov.com');" target="_blank">krosette@cov.com</a>>,
"tony holmes" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'tonyarholmes@btinternet.com');" target="_blank">tonyarholmes@btinternet.com</a>>,
"William Drake" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'william.drake@uzh.ch');" target="_blank">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>>,
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'alain.berranger@gmail.com');" target="_blank">alain.berranger@gmail.com</a>>,
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'robin@ipjustice.org');" target="_blank">robin@ipjustice.org</a>>,
"'KEITH DRAZEK'" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'kdrazek@Verisign.com');" target="_blank">kdrazek@Verisign.com</a>>,
"Matt Serlin" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'matt.serlin@markmonitor.com');" target="_blank">matt.serlin@markmonitor.com</a>></font></div>
<div style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px"><font style="font:12.0px Helvetica" size="3" face="Helvetica"><b>Subject:
</b></font><font style="font:12.0px Helvetica" size="3" face="Helvetica"><b>GNSO
applicants to the ATRT2 team</b></font></div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">Dear Steve,
Dear Heather,</p>
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</div><p class="MsoNormal"> Please see
attached letter regarding
appointment of applicants
arising from within the GNSO
to the ATRT2 team.</p>
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</div><p class="MsoNormal">Thank-you
for giving this matter your
attention.</p>
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</div><p class="MsoNormal">Best
wishes,</p>
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</div><p class="MsoNormal">Jonathan</p>
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</div><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Jonathan
Robinson</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Chair</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>ICANN
GNSO Council</span></p>
<div><span> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder">
</div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com');" target="_blank">jonathan.robinson@ipracon.com</a></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span>skype:
jonathan.m.r</span></p>
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Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA
<div>Member, Board of Directors, CECI, <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/" target="_blank">http://www.ceci.ca</a><br>
<div>Executive-in-residence, Schulich School
of Business, <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.schulich.yorku.ca/" target="_blank">www.schulich.yorku.ca</a></div>
<div>Treasurer, Global Knowledge Partnership
Foundation, <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.gkpfoundation.org/" target="_blank">www.gkpfoundation.org</a></div>
<div>NA representative, Chasquinet Foundation,
<font color="#0a246a" face="'Times New
Roman', Times, serif"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.chasquinet.org/" target="_blank">www.chasquinet.org</a></font><br>
Chair, NPOC, NCSG, ICANN, <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://npoc.org/" target="_blank">http://npoc.org/</a><br>
O:+1 514 484 7824; M:+1 514 704 7824<br>
Skype: alain.berranger<br>
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