<div dir="ltr">hello,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/9/18 Alain Berranger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alain.berranger@gmail.com" target="_blank">alain.berranger@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi All,<div><br></div><div>Hiring independant experts is a standard organizational process used frequently by governments, private sector and NGOs. </div></blockquote><div> <br>I don't think that discussion about thus but more the process established ( in fact no indication what kind of process was followed for hiring and what were the criteria)<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><br></div><div>Of course, arm's length experts are more knowledgeable about history, framework/context, political issues and ground realities like argued by some on this string. But being both an advisor and a stakeholder can be a conflict of interest more often than none.</div>
</blockquote><div><br>a knowledgeable person about ICANN doesn't mean being a stakeholder or active participant or advocate of specific interests, for example, Berkman center and LSE made good reports and assessed ICANN in several aspects .. like accountability without being active in ICANN but they HAVE the knowledge and they did job in due time. btw how did you assess that those experts doesn't have any conflict of interests? <br>
and in Multistakeholder organization, I guess everyone is somehow staekholder de facto nope?<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><br></div><div>The hiring of independant experts does not take away from or negate bottom-up or multi-stakeholder approaches. Bottom-up process does not mean than bottom-up views always prevail - it means they are considered by those finally accountable (or else what is the difference between a dictatorship of the top or a dictatorship of the bottom?). </div>
</blockquote><div><br>bottom-up dictatorship? there is no such thing, people are just asking the leadership to be accountable and giving rationale of their decisions, not judgment here or bashing. it is amazing for me to see how much people in the top are uncomfortable with accountability and transparency (e.g. I am observing this in Tunisia with assembly constituent and how elected folks are not respecting the rules and engagement they made themselves....), are you in the same case Alain?. the purpose is to make more process transparent, hiring experts who make assess ICANN accountability is important matter to be left to obscurity. <br>
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<div><br></div><div>The Board is accountable in the end and is free to choose the consultative processes they wish as per their judgment and circumstances.</div><div><br></div></blockquote><div><br>they are free.. but they can respond to inquiry now and give rationale? I think that you are anticipating, we didn't even ask the board yet. we are just debating and discussing.<br>
<br>Rafik<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div></div><div>I agree with Mary that the gender balance is inadequate.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Alain<div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Poncelet Ileleji <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pileleji@ymca.gm" target="_blank">pileleji@ymca.gm</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Hi Rafik,<br><br>I totally concur, its important "The Experts" should be people who understand issues on the ground in regards to ICANN and are fully aware of the global Internet Ecosystem as it has evolved and continues to evolve with ICANN role and issues regarding Internet Governance as Mary mentioned, to me in as much all these folks are knowledgeable folks in their own right, they will have a lot of literature to go through first and then face to face dialogue meetings to conduct before they can give any expert advice, I do not think that's what is required now. Well that's my personal observation. It will be interesting to see what methodology they shall use in conducting their assignment as "Experts".<br>
<br>Regards<br><br>Poncelet<div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 17 September 2012 12:21, Rafik Dammak <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi Milton,<div><br></div><div>it is good question about how ICANN give procurement / hire consultants for many sensitive issues in not that transparent process.</div>
<div>I don't know how to assess those experts but they seems more familiar to business/corporate world and their probable lack os knowledge that you mentioned in details raise questions how they can fit such important positions.</div>
<div>I do agree with Mary comment too regarding diversity,</div><div><br></div><div>Best </div><div><br clear="all"><div dir="ltr"><div>Rafik </div></div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/9/15 Milton L Mueller <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank">mueller@syr.edu</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">None of these "experts" knows a thing about Internet governance, ICANN's history, ICANN or the political dimension of accountability. This is a typical ICANN approach to a sensitive issue, hand-pick a bunch of
on-paper "experts" through who-knows-what kind of a vetting process who will do a whitewash report that is guaranteed not to rock the boat<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"" lang="FR"><a href="http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-11sep12-en.htm" target="_blank">http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-11sep12-en.htm</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<h1><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">ICANN Launches Accountability Structures Expert Panel, Seeks Community Input<u></u><u></u></span></h1>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">11 September 2012</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">In fulfillment of ATRT Recommendations 23 and 25, calling for a review of ICANN's Accountability Structures, ICANN has identified an international panel of experts to serve on the Accountability Structures Expert
Panel (ASEP). Biographies of the experts are available at </span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"" lang="FR"><a href="http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/accountability/asep" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/accountability/asep</span></a></span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The ASEP is interested in hearing from the ICANN community regarding your thoughts on ICANN's accountability structures, particularly the Reconsideration process and the Independent Review process, and whether
they can or should be modified. Your comments and inputs can be submitted to </span>
<span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"" lang="FR"><a href="mailto:ASEP@ICANN.org" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">ASEP@ICANN.org</span></a></span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> and comments can be viewed at
</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"" lang="FR"><a href="http://forum.icann.org/lists/asep/" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">http://forum.icann.org/lists/asep/</span></a></span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">. Please provide your input by
1 October 2012.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The ASEP will be posting updates regarding its work, with a detailed project plan expected by mid-September. All information regarding the ASEP will be accessible from the ASEP page at
</span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"" lang="FR"><a href="http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/accountability/asep" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/accountability/asep</span></a></span><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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