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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">In rebuttal,<br>
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When Corporations own the very words we speak, what will that do
to our daily communication?<br>
<br>
Lou<br>
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On 9/5/2012 5:03 PM, Andrei Barburas wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="verdana,sans-serif">Edward, allow me to
contradict you regarding this statement:</font></div>
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<div><font face="verdana,sans-serif">"<i>Domain names are not
trademarks. Nor are they sui generis i.p. marks. To sign
this letter indicates a belief that in some form they are
and will make it a be a bit more difficult in the futre to
coherently fight efforts by brand owners to further expand
their monopoly rights in the domain ecosphere.</i>"</font></div>
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<div><font face="verdana,sans-serif">The best example I can give,
is Amazon.com which is an actual trademark (Amazon with and
without the dotcom; a list of their trademarks can be found
here: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/?nodeId=200738910">http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/?nodeId=200738910</a>)</font></div>
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<div><font face="verdana,sans-serif">This issue was discussed in
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Edward
Morris <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:edward.morris@alumni.usc.edu" target="_blank">edward.morris@alumni.usc.edu</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<span
style="border-collapse:collapse;color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I
would take exception to the claim that allowing so called
"closed garden" gTLD's at all infringes upon nation states
"entrenched legal processes" for obtaining trademark
protection.
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<div>It's usually brand owners I need to remind of what
appears to be a little recognized fact: domain names are
not trademarks. Notwithstanding the fact that brand
owners want us to treat domain names as trademarks +,
that some UDRP mediators seem to buy this argument, that
we're left fighting attempts to establish extraordinary
protection for famous marks...</div>
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<div>Domain names are not trademarks. Nor are they sui
generis i.p. marks. To sign this letter indicates a
belief that in some form they are and will make it a be
a bit more difficult in the futre to coherently fight
efforts by brand owners to further expand their monopoly
rights in the domain ecosphere.</div>
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<div>The concept of a commons in generic terms may be
admirable. The concept stands alone and needs not and
should not be linked to trademark rights. Regrettably
the time to make such an argument with regards to this
round of gTlds is in the past.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 8:17 PM,
Kathy Kleiman <span dir="ltr"><<a
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href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com"
target="_blank">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Hi All,<br>
I would like to share with you a letter being
circulated by Michele Neylon, the wonderful
Blacknight registrar (and the only registrar in
Ireland). It deals with new gTLDs that are
"closed gardens" -- generic words that some
companies have applied for as new gTLDs and will
keep "closed" -- not open for general second-level
domain name registration. These include some
applicants for .BLOG and .CLOUD, among many
others.<br>
<br>
It's a powerful letter with strong free
speech/freedom of expression arguments. Concerns
are shared by registries, registrars and
registrants -- and Michele is looking for
Signatories. <br>
<br>
Please take a moment to look at the letter, and
let Michele know if you can sign on (name,
organization). Michele is cc'ed on this email,
and can be reached at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.ie"
target="_blank">michele@blacknight.ie</a> <br>
<br>
----- <br>
Here's the full version with current signatories :
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZUNlookOWyaSW8lXfi_37zVFsVk9xcxncvmE0uwPEFY/edit"
target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZUNlookOWyaSW8lXfi_37zVFsVk9xcxncvmE0uwPEFY/edit</a>Here
are two quotes from the <br>
<p><br>
<font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Here
are two quotes from the letter: <span
style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-weight:normal"></span><span
style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-weight:normal"><br>
"Based on our collective industry
experience, we are of the opinion that the
underlying intention of Section 6 was to
allow for the operation of closed gTLDs only
under very defined circumstances. </span><br>
<span
style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-weight:normal">Specifically,
that closed gTLDs should be reserved for
only those strings in which the applicant
possesses established (i.e., legally
recognized) intellectual property rights,
basically brand names. We believe that this
interpretation of Section 6 is inherently
logical especially in view of the
discussions that preceded the opening of
gTLDs -- which focused, in very large part,
on expanding choices and opportunities as
well as promoting innovation, for Internet
consumers worldwide."</span><br>
<span
style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-weight:normal"></span><br>
<span
style="vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:normal;font-style:normal;font-size:15px;background-color:transparent;text-decoration:none;font-weight:normal">"Further,
generic words used in a generic way belong
to all people. It is inherently in the
public interest to allow access to generic
new gTLDs to the whole of the Internet
Community, e.g., .BLOG, .MUSIC, .CLOUD.
Allowing everyone to register and use second
level domain names of these powerful,
generic TLDs is exactly what we envisioned
the New gTLD Program would do. In contrast,
to allow individual Registry Operators to
segregate and close-off common words for
which they do not possess intellectual
property rights in effect allows them to
circumvent nation-states’ entrenched legal
processes for obtaining legitimate and
recognized trademark protections."</span><br>
</font>----<br>
Best, <br>
Kathy <br>
<span><font color="#888888"> </font></span></p>
<span><font color="#888888">
<p>Kathy Kleiman<br>
Internet Counsel, Fletcher, Heald &
Hildreth<br>
Co-Founder, NCUC<br>
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