Hello Alex,<div><br></div><div>I think that you are conflating different issues and that makes things more confusing IMHO.</div><div>Yes Afrinic can be reformed/improved like any organization, the problem is board seats are regional based while the nominees to be elected can be not Afrinic members (if I am not wrong) and there is no provision to have stakeholder representation, sure that need change but definitely that is kind of restructuring will take time and lot of efforts. First let's see how it can be done through existing processes and what is needed to convince people.afrinic surely can have a review like what happened in ICANN. </div>
<div><br></div><div>For HR issues, I guess that we should use PDP in Afrinic to develop policy in those matters and that will definitely create the debate within Afrinic community (my understanding that Afrinic WGs and policy proposals are open to everybody) . Let's develop concrete proposals. What do you have in mind about HR issues related to IP addressing, concrete case can clarify definitely your point.</div>
<div>for Afircann, it is just mailing list which allowed somehow a kind of virtual African Internet community , and many announcement are shared there.</div><div><br></div><div>Lets focus on more critical topics. It is important to discuss about that ad hoc working group, it is outside icann now (and no real indication that afrinic is behind it, the annoucement is confusing about that point) but when they will send proposal to icann board and CEO, it has to follow Icann processes and thre is need for community to comment and NCSG must be active. There were already discussion about representation in the group, how the selection was made and so on. I will blame more CEO and board approach while it is based on good will,it is good to have informal meetings but there is need to be careful to invite everybody from African attendees in Prague meeting (people felt being exlcuded, not the best way to start things) and more to follow appropriate processes (we are talking about strategy that will engage ICANN for years in Africa and investment to be done there with staff etc). for example, mentioning in icann announcement that was meeting with African community or work done by African community is misleading. <span></span><br>
<div><br></div><div>I think that bill proposal is good start with and that is concrete action.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Rafik</div><div><br>Le mardi 14 août 2012, Alex Gakuru a écrit :<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Thanks Milton. Yes it can be fixed through Bylaws changes to Board appointment and institutional structural reforms. But only if the BOD resolved as such. The alternative would to let them be and Africa's Human Rights civil society organisations distance themselves from AFRICANN/NIC moves. <br>
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Mailing lists can/are open but effective policy influence is achieved with representation on the policy making table. Their 6-person BOD structure
<a href="http://www.afrinic.net/en/our-structure/bod" target="_blank">http://www.afrinic.net/en/our-structure/bod</a> of Eastern Africa(1), Indian Ocean(1), Northern Africa(1), Western Africa(1), Central Africa(1), Southern Africa(1) are business, ccTLDs and
government persons. It does not provide for civil society representatives. Or would I be missing one (including on the listed past) BOD members?<br>
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