Wendy said:<div><br></div><div><i>"... but believe that the "trust"</i><div><i>metrics rely on a faulty premise, that gTLDs should be predictable,</i></div><div><i>rather than open to innovative and unexpected new uses."</i></div>
<div><br></div><div>I agree with the usefulness and relevance of metrics that will capture the degree of innovative and new uses of the gTLD platforms... even if it is hard to make the link between trust and innovation... but find it as interesting to also capture measures of predictability and reliability - dimensions that also define trust for all users, innovative (the few) or otherwise (the majority).</div>
<div><br></div><div>Of course finding measurable and reliable indicators of the former is much more difficult that the latter. With all her expertise and academic saavy, Wendy could probably suggest how to start developing those "innovative use" metrics.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Alain</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Nicolas Adam <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nickolas.adam@gmail.com" target="_blank">nickolas.adam@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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    It's got my support.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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    Nicolas</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br>
    <div>On 19/07/2012 4:50 PM, Milton L Mueller
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Wendy,
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>I strongly endorse this statement
            and hope we can make it a NSCG-wide one.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Milton L. Mueller<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Professor, Syracuse University
            School of Information Studies<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Internet Governance Project<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span><a href="http://blog.internetgovernance.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:blue">http://blog.internetgovernance.org</span></a>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                  NCSG-Discuss [<a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a>]
                  <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robin Gross<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 19, 2012 11:50 AM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU" target="_blank">NCSG-DISCUSS@LISTSERV.SYR.EDU</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> [NCSG-Discuss] Fwd: [PC-NCSG] Consumer
                  trust: continued disagreement over the premise<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Begin forwarded message:<u></u><u></u></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">From:
                  </span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Wendy
                  Seltzer <<a href="mailto:wendy@seltzer.com" target="_blank">wendy@seltzer.com</a>></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Subject:
                    [PC-NCSG] Fwd: Consumer trust: continued
                    disagreement over the premise</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Date:
                  </span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">July
                  15, 2012 11:27:56 AM PDT</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                  </span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">NCSG-Policy
                  <<a href="mailto:PC-NCSG@ipjustice.org" target="_blank">PC-NCSG@ipjustice.org</a>></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I've
                written up my concerns with the "consumer metrics on
                trust" work.<br>
                If others agree, we may want to lodge a formal NCSG
                objection.<br>
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                -------- Original Message --------<br>
                Subject: Consumer trust: continued disagreement over the
                premise<br>
                Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 12:05:19 -0400<br>
                From: local Wendy <<a href="mailto:wendy@seltzer.org" target="_blank">wendy@seltzer.org</a>><br>
                To: Consumer CCI DT <<a href="mailto:gnso-consumercci-dt@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-consumercci-dt@icann.org</a>><br>
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                Hi Consumer Metrics team,<br>
                <br>
                I write because I continue to have strong disagreement
                with the "trust"<br>
                metrics and their presentation. Since I have been unable
                to make the<br>
                calls due to persistent scheduling conflicts, I wanted
                to spell out the<br>
                concerns I discussed with several of you in Prague. I
                appreciate the<br>
                work that has gone into the metrics, but believe that
                the "trust"<br>
                metrics rely on a faulty premise, that gTLDs should be
                predictable,<br>
                rather than open to innovative and unexpected new uses.<br>
                <br>
                The current draft mistakes a platform, a gTLD, for an
                end-product. A key<br>
                value of a platform is its generativity -- its ability
                to be used and<br>
                leveraged by third parties for new, unexpected purposes.
                Precisely<br>
                because much innovation is unanticipated, it cannot be
                predicted for a<br>
                chart of measures. Moreover, incentives on the
                intermediaries to control<br>
                their platforms translate into restrictions on
                end-users' free<br>
                expression and innovation.<br>
                <br>
                Just as we would not want to speak about "trust" in a
                pad of printing<br>
                paper, on which anyone could make posters, and we don't
                ask a road<br>
                system to interrogate what its drivers plan to do when
                they reach their<br>
                destinations, I think we shouldn't judge DNS registries
                on their users'<br>
                activities.<br>
                <br>
                ICANN's planned reviews of and targets for gTLD success
                should not<br>
                interfere with market decisions about the utility of
                various offerings.<br>
                <br>
                In particular, I disagree with the second group of
                "trust" metrics, the<br>
                " Measures related to confidence that TLD operators are
                fulfilling<br>
                promises and complying with ICANN policies and
                applicable national<br>
                laws:" namely,<br>
                * Relative incidence of UDRP & URS Complaints;
                Relative incidence of<br>
                UDRP & URS Decisions against registrant;<br>
                * Quantity and relative incidence of intellectual
                property claims<br>
                relating to Second Level domain names, and relative cost
                of overall<br>
                domain name policing measured at: immediately prior to
                new gTLD<br>
                delegation and at 1 and 3 years after delegation;<br>
                * Quantity of Compliance Concerns w/r/t Applicable
                National Laws,<br>
                including reported data security breaches;<br>
                * Quantity and relative incidence of Domain Takedowns;<br>
                * Quantity of spam received by a "honeypot" email
                address in each new gTLD;<br>
                * Quantity and relative incidence of fraudulent
                transactions caused by<br>
                phishing sites in new gTLDs;<br>
                * Quantity and relative incidence of detected phishing
                sites using new<br>
                gTLDs;<br>
                * Quantity and relative incidence of detected botnets
                and malware using<br>
                new gTLDs<br>
                * Quantity and relative incidence of sites found to be
                dealing in or<br>
                distributing identities and account information used in
                identity fraud; and<br>
                * Quantity and relative incidence of complaints
                regarding inaccurate,<br>
                invalid, or suspect WHOIS records in new gTLD<br>
                <br>
                Separately, I disagree with the targets for the
                "redirection,"<br>
                "duplicates," and "traffic" measures. All of these
                presume that the use<br>
                for new gTLDs is to provide the same type of service to
                different<br>
                parties, while some might be used to provide different
                services to<br>
                parties including existing registrants.<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                -- <br>
                Wendy Seltzer -- <a href="mailto:wendy@seltzer.org" target="_blank">wendy@seltzer.org</a>
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                Harvard University<br>
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                <br>
                -- <br>
                Wendy Seltzer -- <a href="mailto:wendy@seltzer.org" target="_blank">wendy@seltzer.org</a>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>Alain Berranger, B.Eng, MBA<div>Member, Board of Directors, CECI, <a href="http://www.ceci.ca/en/about-ceci/team/board-of-directors/" target="_blank">http://www.ceci.ca</a><br>
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